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1) Fixed crash when pressing ESC while loading district maps in operation.
2) The algorithm of broken tracks is improved.
3) Weapons overheating algorithm is adjusted.
4) Differentiation and locks for paths on operational map is introduced.
5) Principle of editing paths in operation editor is improved.
6) The ability to import a database description for operation from other operation is added.
7) Fixed a bug with the repair in the abandoned vehicles (crew members now leave repair).
8) Added a separate button for the ambush. At this command the infantry and gun crews will be lie, vehicle crews will be close a hatches.
9) Removed the option for buttoned state for vehicles.
10) Now you can set the "level" of defensive structures in a quick battle.
...

March 2013 then add 2 months on to that(May 2013) so we're still looking at 5 months from now,so I don't think it's all that soon.
It seems to follow the every 6 month update cycle pattern.

Andrey I see command radi is removed. I hear your bringing in a new command system based on radios etc..is it possible you can explain how it works in abit more detail? thanks.

WooHoo to number 44!! Big thanks from me!

Also No42 sounds interesting...

42: First Person control for some selected panzers  :o 8)

42: First Person control for some selected panzers  :o 8)

I think it´s time for introduction of successor STEEL FURY: Kharkov1942:  GRAVITEAM FURY: TARANOVKA 1943  ;)

OK, tell us about that colored bar above the time as seen in the pics in post #128.

So again:
42: First Person control for some selected panzers
     + secret bonus : Panzerkampfwagen V added to the game

This legit?
Haven't seen any official posts about panthers and direct control.

Damned! ;D

But only for you  ;D
http://imgur.com/446XR

:o :o :o Is it someones mod or it will be official?

official

Arrgh, I nearly spilt beer on me ;D

Wonderful news!!!

But its not a near future

If you look at the SF42 threads you can see one of the 1st tanks everyone was interested in adding or modding was the Panther tank,that should have been a strong indicator as to how popular that tank is with the Graviteam community.Not having Panther tank is like having pizza without the pepperoni.

Having the Panther in this game would be very very good and go a long way in boosting a greater interest for this title IMHO.

Okay. Convinced, so we do an experiment soon, it really is.  ;D

but how but a pz38t?  LOL. 

Okay. Convinced, so we do an experiment soon, it really is.  ;D

I want to hear about this experiment.... ??? :P

I want to hear about this experiment.... ??? :P

WW2 German icons-I could never understand them very well. I prefer NATO unit icons-much easier to read.

You can not play with the Panthers and not to use these icons - unhistorical  ;D

But nevertheless, everyone is able to choose icons itself - Standard / Red Army/ Wehrmacht / NATO  :D

You play as an American leading foreign troops?? WOW..never heard someone imagining that before..I'm (in my head) what ever nation I'm commanding in a game..your certainly not bothered about authenticity. I think if a game is set during a specific war it should strive to be as authentic as possible no matter the scale..infact I'm not sure why you think it isn't important at the tactical scale.

I always liked the symbols from the Panzer Blitz/Panzer Leader games that Avalon Hill put out.
Take a look at the platoon icons for the counters on this site.
Vehicle silhouettes look cool too.

http://www.imaginative-strategist.layfigures.com/IMSTRAT%20PB%20Counter.html

Looks good, but I hope I will know how to do it :D

OK ;)

So in March testing, in April release to public?

And the Mius front will be released in late 2013?

When I order infantry platoon to move closer the enemy positions before assault there is often situation where HQ goes first, rest is somewhere behind.

Fire arc give me nothing in this case. Problem is that units sometimes are deployed outside the cover and this makes them visible to enemy. I don't know how to go around this.

Dane49- yes, I do pretty much the same way. But it would be nice if this would work like in Airborne Assault. For example when we give march order to  platoon AI will place some squads as vanguard in front and one in back as a rear guard and HQ and heavy support weapon in the middle of formation. It would be nice

BTW is there any one else having problems with black shadows or maybe it's something with my graphic card?

BTW is there any one else having problems with black shadows or maybe it's something with my graphic card?

Please upload a screenshot with this issue.

Beezle they should find cover if you give the find cover order..ambushes are best when your either hidden in buildings or in a  forest..get the defense sorted during set up..

It could be the card your settings or the camera angle you are viewing from in the game.

I find when I'm playing the game with the optimal settings and shaders that to get the best viewing with the camera I have to make sure that the sun is behind the camera when viewing just like in real life.

One of the first things I do when beginning a battle is lock on a unit or vehicle and rotate the camera around that certain unit till I get the best view.Then I view the battle from that angle.

That gun is destroyed...

http://The black shadows..make sure your AA setting is set to Application only in your graphic card settings..also make sure any of the direct x 11 settings are off you may have on like morphological.. and enable surface format optimization is off aswell (thats an ATI\AMD setting). I'd mess around with the ingame graphic settings for shadows aswell..

I have a decent card but my game doesn't look as good as Andreys vids..Most likely due to AA not being that great in game so you need a hi res monitor..mine is only 19inch at 1440x900.I have all settings at their highest..but when I look at Andreys vids it must be due to my low res monitor.

Pz I ausf F in action
http://imgur.com/cRcAG,i2VH1,7ez0o,46AxA,Lw6Rw

Do I understand this correctly-That Sinyavino 42 DLC will be released for sale along with March 2013 patch(In April maybe)

and Mius front game to be released at the end of 2013?

If no unexpected problems arise will only 2 DLCs be released for sale next year?

We plan 5 DLCs or more.

All confusing..would be great if Andrey confirmed, in order, a list of future releases that have been announced and state what is for APOS and what will be for the new game..

Too bad about Sinyavino though.I was really excited about that one :(

We also expect that it will released in this fall

But there's nothing to do, we have certain standards for landscape, until they are not achieved we will not release.

Do you have the "shading" option in APOS set to "enabled" ?

Please check it !!


Txema

will it be possible to install current DLC´s for APOS to GTOS?

Please, enable just these options:

- Simple Shaders

- Shading

I think that the graphics card requirements will not be severely increased BUT I also think that all those strange black areas will disappear.

Please, report the results here !


Txema

Known issues:
1) Does not work wire communications for German artillery and mortar batteries
2) Do not work link through wire communications by APC (again, for the Germans)

Will these affect enemy AI? ...Yes?

Interested reasoned feedback on the following features:
1) A new supply system in the operational phase.
2) Indication of communication, level of command and automatic fire on the target designation.
3) A new system for limiting the players activity  in the field of micromanagement.

Can we have some detailed instructions on how to test these features?

Andrey,
Just applied the patch, started the game, set up a quick battle, game started to launch, then it crashed with a note pad message:
(i_human not found).
Un-installed patch everything working ok.

You have to tell me, Sabre Units, are thier horses?

Andrey,
I un-installed Update 3.09, then applied this one.
Mar2013, in the top right hand corner.
I saw the new Graviteam logo. Got into the game, and set up a new profile.
It was only when i clicked "start the quick battle" key and the loading bar on the screen had completed that it happened.
Never had any patching problems before. Odd.

...
53) The base color for summer camouflage on some vehicles of Red Army is changed.
54) Visual look of vehicles is changed due to humidity level.
55) Added Red Armys icons for operations map.
56) Fixed a bug with incorrect display of sides color in Quick battle editor due to change side.
57) Fixed a bug with black squares on an operations map.
58) Added Dunkelgelb 1943 color scheme for Pz III ausf. N tank.
59) For external target designation spot time and target direction will be transmitted.
60) Added ability to set delay for order execution until some time (right click on the "Stop" order).
61) Vehiles and squads that left without user control automatically returns to the commander.
...

57) Fixed a bug with black squares on an operations map.

Perfect!

54) Visual look of vehicles is changed due to humidity level.

screenshot please ;)

Ooh good about #57! i found this bug came from the polygon update and had to delete it, now i can apply it again:)

No, this bug not linked with polygon update at all. It apperas if you start/continue operation after exit to Windows from QB battle.

Can I ask for a TAC map overlay toggle that, if enabled, would show all preplanned artillery areas from all available spotters?

Is it still possible to download the march2013 somewhere please? I get 404 on the link :(

Thanks

EDIT: Ok im stupid, just found the link for a4 version :)

http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/k43t_apos_patch_march13_a4_eng.gt2extension

http://imgur.com/MlbPP

Alpha version of the patch (download at will).
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/k43t_apos_patch_mar13_a3_eng.gt2extension

Is the Alpha Patch still available for testing?  The link does not work anymore.

Five posts above: http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/k43t_apos_patch_march13_a4_eng.gt2extension  ;)

Hi Andrey.  Sorry I missed this post (it was Christmas!)

Is the Alpha Patch still available for testing?  The link does not work anymore.

Thanks Andrey.

I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but here are some initial observations on the patch:

1. The new controls seem very useful - I need to play around with them some more.

2. I seem to get a lot of burning soldiers after an enemy artillery barrage - 10 or 15 infantrymen running around on fire.  There were no tanks in the battle.

3. I prefer the old blue lines around the selected unit.  The new blue boxes don't show the position of the unit on the ground as effectively.

I'll post more when I have more to report :)

Thanks.

I thought that most WW2 smoke was chemical smoke and not WP?  Isn't WP more of a Vietnam and cold war thing?

3. I prefer the old blue lines around the selected unit.  The new blue boxes don't show the position of the unit on the ground as effectively.

And PLEASE do something about the sounds. The weakest part of the game BY FAR!

  But as I continue to rotate the camera away from the vehicle the sounds disappear completely even though the vehicle is still very close.

My suggestion, if it were possible, would be to put a limit on how low of a level the sounds go to while still being in close proximity to the source. i.e. Make them low and muffled but not gone completely.

Sounds

I find the sounds quite good.  The only things I have done are to disable music in-game and turn off voices because they were too repetitive.  But those are just my preferences.

Burning troops

Definitely too many burning casualties on the map.  In some battles it's up to 50% of all casualties - way too high.

I understand that you wouldn't want to actually get hit by a smoke round, but the chances of that are tiny...

  But as I continue to rotate the camera away from the vehicle the sounds disappear completely even though the vehicle is still very close.

Thanks.

I thought that most WW2 smoke was chemical smoke and not WP?  Isn't WP more of a Vietnam and cold war thing?

Sounds

I find the sounds quite good.  The only things I have done are to disable music in-game and turn off voices because they were too repetitive.  But those are just my preferences.

Burning troops

Definitely too many burning casualties on the map.  In some battles it's up to 50% of all casualties - way too high.

I understand that you wouldn't want to actually get hit by a smoke round, but the chances of that are tiny...

This issue happens if in Windows in sound setting you set, for example 5.1 profile, but as fact use stereo headphones or two dynamics.

I like the sound effects in general , turn my bass up high to get that "in your chest" thump from artillery  ;D

....but i have to switch off the sound during air raids , the bomb falling sound is horrible , sounds like one of those cheap sound effect keyrings  :'(

WP was used extensively in WW2 by the allies in mortar and artillery shells.

Are there any command prompts to let the camera rotate freely at the higher levels for wider view?

Back to the hot subject of fire!

- In OS shells often start fires on the ground.  Sure it looks good. But would a shell really cause a fire on a bare bit of snow - which is frozen water!  It doesnt seem realistic, look at any real film footage of shell bursts & all you get is a burst of earth & a bit of smoke.

Fair enough, but your question was whether WP was used in WW2 or not.

- In OS shells often start fires on the ground.  Sure it looks good. But would a shell really cause a fire on a bare bit of snow - which is frozen water!  It's not realistic. Look at any real film footage of shell bursts & all you get is a burst of earth & a bit of smoke.

82) A crew members from the destroyed vehicles can be used to supplement other squads or crews in the platoon.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ;D

It is this above why I will be a first day buyer for any Graviteam Tactics product released. A great game always improved upon(hopefully)

About ambush
Is there any change in how the units will engage in combat with the button to ambush?
This command can be used to attack or is unique to the defensive?

The distance engagement remains the same? The units will look to shoot as close to the target?

Can you fix the heads on the German soldiers?
The helmets don't look right and sit to high on the heads.(they look funny).

NightPostman with his uniform mod did a good job with the German heads and helmets.Maybe you could take the heads from his mod and put them on the standard German soldiers bodies( If that is possible).

The German helmets in his mod sit correctly on the heads and are shaped properly.

I like the improvements of the uniforms over the past year,especially the spring camo colors,but the heads on the German soldiers have always been a distraction from the otherwise very pleasing look for the Germans.
The Russian heads and helmets look fine,only the German heads look strange.

Hi Andrey,

I have seen in the russian sukhoi forums that you have released a new beta patch for APOS. Are you going to release the english version of the new beta patch soon ??


Txema

March 13 Update for OBT
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/k43t_apos_patch_march13_b4_eng.gt2extension

5.81 core update with new installer (optional)
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/gtos_cu_581_eng.exe

What is OBT?

No 82...for a game striving for realism I think this is out of place and gamey.

No 82...for a game striving for realism I think this is out of place and gamey.

I like the feature also.

Plenty of documented history of crews from other tanks that were disabled or knocked out replacing wounded or killed crew members from other tanks on the Russian front.

I've also read accounts of regular infantry replacing wounded or killed crew members on AT guns, Inf guns HMGs and mortars.

In the middle of a battle you can't afford to be choosey,even if it means on the job training at a moments notice.

Does this feature of replacing the members come with some form of decreased performance penalty?

I like the feature also.

Plenty of documented history of crews from other tanks that were disabled or knocked out replacing wounded or killed crew members from other tanks on the Russian front.

I've also read accounts of regular infantry replacing wounded or killed crew members on AT guns, Inf guns HMGs and mortars.

In the middle of a battle you can't afford to be choosey,even if it means on the job training at a moments notice.

Does this feature of replacing the members come with some form of decreased performance penalty?

Whats with the "mini snow storm" that follows the vehicles round now, doesnt look quite right!

And HE rounds and Tracers into buildings with staw roofs and still no fires? ???

I don't know about everyone elses take on the infantry fatigue level in the new patch,but I'm having a hard time comprehending how quickly and for how long the squads get tired,plus straggling is now a major issue also.

My squads can't seem to march more than a Kilometer(Km) before they need a 1/2 hour rest!
Plus over that Km march route my squads are strung out as far as 300-400 meters with approximately 3-4 guys bringing up the rear 300-400 meters from the lead squad member.

Does the recovery rate from fatigue start as soon as the last squad member reaches the objective and starts to rest or is it just determined on and based upon the squad leader alone?

Of cource once the bullets start flying this becomes a very difficult job and in some cases almost impossible,but up until that point it shouldn't be a major problem.As I stated before the thought of capture by the enemy alone should be more than enough incentive to keep the soldiers from straying to far from the main group.Broken and panicked squads being the exception.

This isn't just a 5km ruck march to a warm barracks though. The soldiers have been living in foxholes for the better part of a month on little or no rations and under the constant threat of enemy fire, if not in direct contact the majority of the time.

As for ammo cans, no one here can ever remotely comprehend how much of a b&$*# those things are to carry around, plus all the other gear.

Yes guys with heavy weapons or ammo crates is more tired.
If troops run or move on the slope or throught bush they more tired.
If troops move on deep snow and mud they more tired.
If it occurs in the cold or warm or under enemy fire, they also hardly resting.
If all factors are applied together - you always get tired soldiers.

The point is - do not run if not need (no fast move modifier), walk on the roads (by road modifier), rest not under enemy fire, but lying down (ambush button) or sit in houses (defence order in the village).

P.S. The process of resting is non-linear, if you are pounding the soldiers to half-death (<10%), then they will be a very long time to restore, and if the rest  before, about (20%+) - is very fast.

About straggling... I can't argue with you, because in this I think you're absolutely right.

And speaking about penal battalions, there are interesting Russian short series worth watching, called: "The Penal Battalion" (Shtrafbat I think it's called in original). Although you won't experience any battle scenes like from another epic russian movie "Osvobozhdenie: Napravleniye glavnogo udara" or Polish "Czterej Pancerni i Pies" series.

Huffing Paint again FB?Well,can't say I never suspected it! ;D

I have been testing the new patch in Quick battles and I have noticed an odd thing with the "radio indicator".

When I choose a heavy tank platoon (for example an early one) I can see that it includes Tigers and Panzer III tanks. The Tigers have the black "radio indicator" indicating that their radio covers the entire area of battle. The Panzer III tanks have the red "radio indicator", indicating that the tank has only a radio receiver. But when I order a Panzer III tank to start moving the red "radio indicator" dissapears... Why ??

In any case, is it historically accurate to model that the Panzer III tanks had only a radio receiver?

I saw that, but what do you specifically suggest?

I suggest that the squads move no faster than the slowest member,and the squad members never be more than 50 meters from the squad leader.

Why would the squad run off and leave their heavy weapon?

What would be the point in taking it along then if it can't keep up with the squad members it was designed to support,and a LMG without the tripod isn't considered a heavy weapon and certainly wouldn't cause the soldier carrying it to fall so far behind that He is useless to the squad.

The German Army built their whole squad around the LMGs and the soldiers assigned to carrying them were expected to keep up or the weapon would be assigned to someone who could carry it and could keep up.

Edit:I carried the M-60 machine gun in my squad for 4 months when I was in the infantry.The M-60 was designed like the German MG-42 without the tripod and weighed about the same.

During that whole time I don't recall ever not being able to keep pace with my squad and I'm sure If I was having a difficult time keeping up with my squad mates they certainly wouldn't have abandoned me and left me behind.

And as I recall,it wasn't the weapon that was too heavy but the ammunition that accounted for the majority of the weight that had to be hauled by the squad.So I would think that if some guys are out running the rest of the squad then the squad leader would lighten the load of the more tired members by assigning more of the ammo weight to them to help keep the squad from fragmenting  and dispersing.

I don't know what kind of command and control doctrine was used in the Russian Army,but cohesion is an integral part of command and control in Western Armies.

I have 2 seperate games on my PC with both the new and old patch
.
As it stands now with the new patch,either the squads start becoming more cohesive and have less straggling or otherwise I think I'll stick with the older patch to play the game.

Would it be a problem to test the beta patch with the DLCs? I just wonder with so many changes the DLCs maybe need to be updated too, the version I have are still from May 2012 at least I think so as may12 is in their names.
Version number for the new patch is 4.02?

Use tanks = problem solved ;D

Trucks are a bigger pain in the ass to move than infantry.I tried doing a quick battle once with a convoy of trucks and more than half ended up getting stuck and the rest couldn't keep any form of a tactical convoy,driving into houses and sliding off the road a real nightmare to control in this game.In the operations phase they would probably do well but during a tactical phase battle they're worthless and seem to do more harm than good.

I rarely use trucks.I did some testing with them a few months ago.just to see what they could and could not do.

I confirm that the trucks should stay road bound because they either get stuck or hardly move at all off road.

On the roads I found them to move OK as long as I didn't go thru a village with bends in the road otherwise as soon as they have to make the turn they slide off the road and slam into a house or fence which usually gets them stuck or immobilises them.

I'm not saying they aren't modeled realistically for game purposes,I just find them to fiddley to work with and prefer to not use them.

In campaign games I generally let them dig trenches and only move them during the Operations Phase and if they do find themselves in a tactical battle I try to keep them out of harms way far behind my MLR.

If and when they are ever modeled to tow AT or Inf guns around I will try to use them more,but right now I don't have much use for them.

PS.I think it would be cool to see AI controlled supply trucks move around the map during a tactical battle in the campaigns the same way the wire vehicles move around the map during a battle.

March 13 Update for OBT
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/k43t_apos_patch_march13_b4_eng.gt2extension

5.81 core update with new installer (optional)
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/gtos_cu_581_eng.exe

Is the OBT still available ?

Change log after beta-test
1) Fixed crash when pressing ESC while loading district maps in operation.
2) The algorithm of broken tracks is improved.
3) Weapons overheating algorithm is adjusted.
4) Differentiation and locks for paths on operational map is introduced.
5) Principle of editing paths in operation editor is improved.
6) The ability to import a database description for operation from other operation is added.
7) Fixed a bug with the repair in the abandoned vehicles (crew members now leave repair).
8) Added a separate button for the ambush. At this command the infantry and gun crews will be lie, vehicle crews will be close a hatches.
9) Removed the option for buttoned state for vehicles.
10) Now you can set the "level" of defensive structures in a quick battle.
11) Added the ability to set placement in defense without digging trenches.
12) Fixed a bug with the canceling of serial orders in battle.
13) Adjusted indication and view modes for serial orders in battle.
14) Added button for automatic platoon placement.
15) Added separate command teams for different types of troops.
16) Added the support units in a quick battle.
17) Added a separation for radio stations by type and his type indication.
18) Fixed a bug with icons remain after disable (and enable) the mini-map.
19) Added the indication for the radio/voice/wire communications in battle.
20) Button for platoons table in operational phase is changed from F1 to F3.
21) Added an antenna on KV-1S and KV-8S tanks.
22) Added an option for icon types on operational map (option 4.20).
23) The algorithm for ammunition and fuel replenish is cahnged, added indication for supply level on map.
24) Command radii is removed.
25) Company and battalion commanders are added in a quick battle.
26) During the retreat without a combat (in operational phase) platoon loses morale.
27) Added the fire platoon commanders in artillery batteries.
28) Staff for the troops in quick battle has been modified and expanded.
29) Added a group of messages for breaking and restoring wired connection.
30) Adjusted an algorithm offers ceasefire from AI (removed immediately cancel after offer).
31) Added target designation by flares.
32) Added a button to apply the last selected filter for soldiers or vehicles.
33) Staff for the troops in operations has been modified and adjusted.
34) Squad parameters panel is changed.
35) Rotate order is moved to squad panel.
36) Added a separate button for reverse move.
37) Added indication for suppressed squads in 3D and on the map.
38) The "quick" orders adaptively vary depending on the number of troops who are given the order.
39) Added a button on the orders panel, which allows to transfer troops under the control of AI.
40) Put a penalty at the start of the operation if allied troops is transfer under the players control.
41) Added automatic movement for signalers to laying wire communication.
42) Added restriction for valid orders, depending on the level of command.
43) Added indication and options for valid orders.
44) Removed the outline of the selected units if individual icons is displayed.
45) Added a separate option for block of squads exchange in the operational phase (by default is enabled).
46) Added tank Pz I ausf. F and a platoon of this tanks in a quick battle.
47) Tankers do not close the hatches and do not climb into the tank if detecting enemy.
48) Added icons in Wehrmacht style on operational map.
49) Fixed a bug with the wrong choice of the level of detail for grass when you attach the camera to an unit.
50) Corrected the appearance for contact signs.
51) Added full automatical firing on external target designation.
52) When the defence "flag" is set during placement mode, changed the principle of defence points selecting.
53) The base color for summer camouflage on some vehicles of Red Army is changed.
54) Visual look of vehicles is changed due to humidity level.
55) Added Red Army's icons for operational map.
56) Fixed a bug with incorrect display of sides color in Quick battle editor due to change side.
57) Fixed a bug with black squares on an operations map.
58) Added Dunkelgelb 1943 color scheme for Pz III ausf. N tank.
59) For external target designation spot time and target direction will be transmitted.
60) Added ability to set delay for order execution until some time (right click on the "Stop" order).
61) Vehiles and squads that left without user control automatically returns to the commander.
62) Added ammo reallocation for guns and mortars at the end of the battle.
63) Slight adjustments for opponents AI.
64) Changed some icons of the squad and vehicle information.
65) Fixed disappearance of the sounds for rolled guns.
66) Added a color scheme selection for the map marks on operational and tactical phases.
67) Added NATO icons for operational map.
68) Fixed bug with unit dragging on the map in deploy phase.
69) Added an option for showing an alphanumeric platoon's codes on the map.
70) Added the wire-reel model for signalman's in the battle.
71) Added muzzle velocity dependence from the temperature.
72) Sounds for Pz III and Pz VI tanks engines and Marder SPGs based on the Pz 38(t) tank caterpillars are changed.
73) Added Soviet Army icons for operational map.
74) Display on the map ally AI plans and their changes during the battle is added.
75) Some shot sounds are corrected.
76) Added some armor piercing ammunition to the penetration diagrams.
77) Added detailed description for the orders delay and for player's command level into the built-in help system.
78) Built-in help system is adjusted and improved.
79) Added an option to select the speakers layout.
80) Fixed a bug with the inability to lock resupply on infantry squads.
81) Adjusted combustion at different soils after exploding shells and bombs.
82) A crew members from the destroyed vehicles can be used to supplement other squads or crews in the platoon.
83) Area of sight is not canceled when choosing a new unit and when it dragging.
84) For platoon's arrangement and rotation with respect to one squad/vehicle will be used its (unit's) direction.
85) Fuel will be leak when vehicle will burned and it's level will appear on the squad's panel.
86) Fixed a bug when displaying the description of the score's calculation criteria for operation.
87) Algorithm's for hit and kill soldiers inside vehicles will be improved.
88) Increased error for targeting when shooting at night or evening time.
89) Added portable radio for German radio squads (in quick battle states).
90) Changed the display units for refueling and ammo replenishing costs (from % to conventional ammo and fuel).
91) Fixed game crashes on some configurations after the end of battle.
92) Improved algorithm for mapping the signal and lighting aids, they divided on day and night types.

Great work team           8)/salute


 Also very annoyingly .. i watched a German mobile AT unit get blown up .. big ball of flame ..but after it was hit , with his vehicle ablaze and the rest of the crew jumping out on fire .... this hero gunner fought on and fires a last shot ..his shot cripples my tank ... then he jumped out on fire .   : /       

my thoughts are here that when an AFV receives a critical kill , fuel fire , ammo etc and the crew are bailing... all crew functions inside that tank should be immediately halted as the crew (if not dead already) bail , i would think doing otherwise would be beyond any human . I only hope he was awarded a posthumous knights Cross.

Just out of interest, will you be making Hi Res skins for the rest of the units in APOS, (GTOS) to go with the march update when completed?

If so will you just update the files on Gamersgate?

It looks kind of odd in game with some being Hi Res and others not.
Maybe buildings, hay bales, fencing etc to?

But I have a problem too, is it just me or do sounds play with delay? I saw this when artillery started coming it, impact on screen but the sound for the explosion came 0.5-1 second later.

Yes,a very cool feature.I don't think this is a new feature though.I'm pretty sure its been in the game for quite some time.

Hi,

I had a quick look around last night and couldn't find which unit/s the German Radio Team appear in in quick battle with the new patch, does anyone know?.

Regards

Aces

Hi,

I had a quick look around last night and couldn't find which unit/s the German Radio Team appear in in quick battle with the new patch, does anyone know?.

I'm having trouble installing the polygon update.  I got the March patch installed fine using the "update" in-game launcher.  When I do the same and select the "apos_upd_tar_rak_mar13_eng" file, it doesn't install it but instead opens a text file that says, literally:

???
???


So, I'm assuming something's wrong here.  Do I have a corrupt d/l?  It was 623 mb.

Go to your March 2013 download/CORE/loc_eng/packed_data/text_loc

I'm having trouble installing the polygon update.  I got the March patch installed fine using the "update" in-game launcher.  When I do the same and select the "apos_upd_tar_rak_mar13_eng" file, it doesn't install it but instead opens a text file that says, literally:

???
???


So, I'm assuming something's wrong here.  Do I have a corrupt d/l?  It was 623 mb.

I see the little radio teams moving about , what exactly are the benefits of having a radio link

I wish we had a wiki to let such precious info flow into it.

First I'd really like some info on what the different radio-related icons mean.

I only assume they are related to the radio though, since I have not seen them before, but they look like they have something to do with radio. I had a search in the manual packed with the game but that's only updated in 2011.

These guys:

(http://i.imgur.com/tVXhUFn.jpg) Im transmitting enemy intel to another squad

(http://i.imgur.com/H3UsVks.jpg) I'm transmitting enemy intel to my squad

(http://i.imgur.com/ikrS2FV.jpg) I'm under ai control and the ai wants to give me an order but cant due to lack of command energy (blue means ai order received)

(http://i.imgur.com/exC885E.jpg) I've recieved enemy intel by voice (phone means wired and (-) is radio, scattered random dots means info is being received)

And they can be combined apparently:

(http://i.imgur.com/0oEwypm.jpg) as above

But can someone tell me what the large smoke trail across the sky is, it looks like a meteor strike! No apparent flare though, so what is it?

(http://i.imgur.com/tVXhUFn.jpg) Im transmitting enemy intel to another squad

(http://i.imgur.com/H3UsVks.jpg) I'm transmitting enemy intel to my squad

(http://i.imgur.com/ikrS2FV.jpg) I'm under ai control and the ai wants to give me an order but cant due to lack of command energy (blue means ai order received)

(http://i.imgur.com/exC885E.jpg) I've recieved enemy intel by voice (phone means wired and (-) is radio, scattered random dots means info is being received)

And they can be combined apparently:

(http://i.imgur.com/0oEwypm.jpg) as above

Ok thanks for that, very helpful :)

By 'squad' - I assume you mean other platoons/units, since 'squad' would make no sense in the context of being only a few men.

Not sure what is meant by "command energy" either? You mean the squad is too far away from the platoon cmdr to receive it? That would make sense, since this was a mortar unit and it was the one farthest away from the mortar platoon commander.

Since apparently you know this - any idea where this might be written down?  ???

Is it REALLY too much to ask for a clear explanation -- in ONE place, like a READ ME -- of the new C&C rules and the many different radio / communications icons and colors?    ??? ??? ???  I'm not talking about a change log.  I'm talking about a clear explanation of new features and how they work.

In last patch its in ONE place - ingame help system - available at any time directly ingame and do not even have to look for anything in the readme. It describes all the _essential_ aspects with a pictures and immediately shows where they are _directly in game_.

Ok thanks for that, very helpful :)

By 'squad' - I assume you mean other platoons/units, since 'squad' would make no sense in the context of being only a few men.

Actually I can't be bothered explaining..don't like your tone for starters.

Question: what does the polygon update provide? What wil we notice?

Again I say a 200 page manual would be lovely and many wargamers would love it

So quit your whining and do it yourself. As far as I'm concerned, Gravi has done an amazing job of supporting and continuing to develop Op Star over the past year plus. You sound like an unappreciative brat. The game is constantly morphing, growing and adapting. It's an adventure to be explored with each new patch/update. If you really need your hand to be held on every point then I think you're missing the big picture.

One of the bush plants or shrubs in the gullies don't look right with the new patch.I only noticed it on the Volokonovka map.It looked fine before the patch but when adding the March patch it looks wrong.

Instead of a bush or shrub it looks like a bundle of green sticks.

Just discovered the current core update file
gtos_cu_581_eng.exe
updates to (2138) I really wish GT would add the (####)s  to make it clear what is posted & it might save some bandwidth on unnecessary downloads...
Please add some more numbers GT!   :P

I like the reeds btw.  :)

Blimey,
I never get chance to finish a campaign before theres another patch or update! lol
Whats changed with the latest update please?

Blimey,
I never get chance to finish a campaign before theres another patch or update! lol
Whats changed with the latest update please?

Yes in new update

Is better suitable than previous version to be something like this
http://baburka.zp.ua/encyclopedia/0606_44.jpg

Is this update ok to use with Operation Star etc.
As I don't have Hooper yet.

Did this get fixed in the new update?

I liked the old reeds better,but it doesn't bother me enough to wish them changed.

Trying to get the latest patch as the spotting in the version i have is totally broken

but all I get is a page of gibberish code

Oh gawd, downloading at 75 kbs, it's timed out twice now.
Thks flanker

Torrent file
http://steelfury.com/iceman/torrents/gtos_patch_march13b4_eng.torrent

Lol mines at 2101, how many of these little beta patches there been?

Andrey, please if you want us to beta test patches, please update the first post with the changelog so we know what's new without having to dig through the entire thread.

And please update the filename of the patch on the web with a proper version. Otherwise it's next to impossible to know if there is a new patch or not  ???

A suggestion: Make a changelog sticky post, update this whenever a new beta patch is out. Lock it so no others can post to avoid filling it with bug reports. Make a separate thread for discussions regarding the current beta.

The blue command bar at the top of the screen , what is the option to turn this off ?

Option 4.12-Improved orders system

Disabling it is the only way I know to turn this off.

Can't emphasize this enough,it's best to only purchase this game and DLCs thru Gamersgate.
Other distributors offer little or no support for this game series.

Got my apos DLC through gamersgate , but im going to see if i can find a physical copy of APOS in the shops this weekend ..i feel a lot happier owning a copy on disk ... and no DRM madness about activations !

Got my apos DLC through gamersgate , but im going to see if i can find a physical copy of APOS in the shops this weekend ..i feel a lot happier owning a copy on disk ... and no DRM madness about activations !

What DRM problems did you encounter when reinstalling apos from GG?

I've given up on trying to download the b4 patch from either graviteam.com or graviteam.ua. Using IE they start to download at 7kbs and never get beyond about 1.7mb of the file at best. I've tried both clicking on the links and right clicking save target as and in Firefox (my preferred browser) it is gibberish as previously mentioned unless one right click and saves that way in which case the download is a slow as it is using IE.  Gamersgate downloads are fine and fast in either browser so it has to be GTs websites IMO.

Regards

Aces

Tried 4 times to get the terrain patch ...every time it says corrupt ,  unexpected end .. and its bizarre that i have to use IE to do it ... cant use firefox why ?

Graviteam Tactics: Operation Star. Update March 2013
(include all changes from previous updates)

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1. INSTALL
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1) Install game core update 5.81 (if not installed) for this run op_star_game_update_eng_v581.exe.
2) In the window that appears, click "Install" button and select update file which will been downloaded.
3) Wait for the installation (click Ok to automatically uninstall previous update).
4) Click "Save and Play" button.

WARNING! After installing the patch:
- will be done automatically adjusts the video settings
- will be removed savegames that created during tactical battle


------------------------------------
2. CHANGE LOG
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--- March 2013 ---
1) Fixed crash when pressing ESC while loading district maps in operation.
2) The algorithm of broken tracks is improved.
3) Weapons overheating algorithm is adjusted.
4) Differentiation and locks for paths on operational map is introduced.
5) Principle of editing paths in operation editor is improved.
6) The ability to import a database description for operation from other operation is added.
7) Fixed a bug with the repair in the abandoned vehicles (crew members now leave repair).
8) Added a separate button for the ambush. At this command the infantry and gun crews will be lie, vehicle crews will be close a hatches.
9) Removed the option for buttoned state for vehicles.
10) Now you can set the "level" of defensive structures in a quick battle.
11) Added the ability to set placement in defense without digging trenches.
12) Fixed a bug with the canceling of serial orders in battle.
13) Adjusted indication and view modes for serial orders in battle.
14) Added button for automatic platoon placement.
15) Added separate command teams for different types of troops.
16) Added the support units in a quick battle.
17) Added a separation for radio stations by type and his type indication.
18) Fixed a bug with icons remain after disable (and enable) the mini-map.
19) Added the indication for the radio/voice/wire communications in battle.
20) Button for platoons table in operational phase is changed from F1 to F3.
21) Added an antenna on KV-1S and KV-8S tanks.
22) Added an option for icon types on operational map (option 4.20).
23) The algorithm for ammunition and fuel replenish is cahnged, added indication for supply level on map.
24) Command radii is removed.
25) Company and battalion commanders are added in a quick battle.
26) During the retreat without a combat (in operational phase) platoon loses morale.
27) Added the fire platoon commanders in artillery batteries.
28) Staff for the troops in quick battle has been modified and expanded.
29) Added a group of messages for breaking and restoring wired connection.
30) Adjusted an algorithm offers ceasefire from AI (removed immediately cancel after offer).
31) Added target designation by flares.
32) Added a button to apply the last selected filter for soldiers or vehicles.
33) Staff for the troops in operations has been modified and adjusted.
34) Squad parameters panel is changed.
35) Rotate order is moved to squad panel.
36) Added a separate button for reverse move.
37) Added indication for suppressed squads in 3D and on the map.
38) The "quick" orders adaptively vary depending on the number of troops who are given the order.
39) Added a button on the orders panel, which allows to transfer troops under the control of AI.
40) Put a penalty at the start of the operation if allied troops is transfer under the players control.
41) Added automatic movement for signalers to laying wire communication.
42) Added restriction for valid orders, depending on the level of command.
43) Added indication and options for valid orders.
44) Removed the outline of the selected units if individual icons is displayed.
45) Added a separate option for block of squads exchange in the operational phase (by default is enabled).
46) Added tank Pz I ausf. F and a platoon of this tanks in a quick battle.
47) Tankers do not close the hatches and do not climb into the tank if detecting enemy.
48) Added icons in Wehrmacht style on operational map.
49) Fixed a bug with the wrong choice of the level of detail for grass when you attach the camera to an unit.
50) Corrected the appearance for contact signs.
51) Added full automatical firing on external target designation.
52) When the defence "flag" is set during placement mode, changed the principle of defence points selecting.
53) The base color for summer camouflage on some vehicles of Red Army is changed.
54) Visual look of vehicles is changed due to humidity level.
55) Added Red Army's icons for operational map.
56) Fixed a bug with incorrect display of sides color in Quick battle editor due to change side.
57) Fixed a bug with black squares on an operations map.
58) Added Dunkelgelb 1943 color scheme for Pz III ausf. N tank.
59) For external target designation spot time and target direction will be transmitted.
60) Added ability to set delay for order execution until some time (right click on the "Stop" order).
61) Vehiles and squads that left without user control automatically returns to the commander.
62) Added ammo reallocation for guns and mortars at the end of the battle.
63) Slight adjustments for opponents AI.
64) Changed some icons of the squad and vehicle information.
65) Fixed disappearance of the sounds for rolled guns.
66) Added a color scheme selection for the map marks on operational and tactical phases.
67) Added NATO icons for operational map.
68) Fixed bug with unit dragging on the map in deploy phase.
69) Added an option for showing an alphanumeric platoon's codes on the map.
70) Added the wire-reel model for signalman's in the battle.
71) Added muzzle velocity dependence from the temperature.
72) Sounds for Pz III and Pz VI tanks engines and Marder SPGs based on the Pz 38(t) tank caterpillars are changed.
73) Added Soviet Army icons for operational map.
74) Display on the map ally AI plans and their changes during the battle is added.
75) Some shot sounds are corrected.
76) Added some armor piercing ammunition to the penetration diagrams.
77) Added detailed description for the orders delay and for player's command level into the built-in help system.
78) Built-in help system is adjusted and improved.
79) Added an option to select the speakers layout.
80) Fixed a bug with the inability to lock resupply on infantry squads.
81) Adjusted combustion at different soils after exploding shells and bombs.
82) A crew members from the destroyed vehicles can be used to supplement other squads or crews in the platoon.
83) Area of sight is not canceled when choosing a new unit and when it dragging.
84) For platoon's arrangement and rotation with respect to one squad/vehicle will be used its (unit's) direction.
85) Fuel will be leak when vehicle will burned and it's level will appear on the squad's panel.
86) Fixed a bug when displaying the description of the score's calculation criteria for operation.
87) Algorithm's for hit and kill soldiers inside vehicles will be improved.
88) Increased error for targeting when shooting at night or evening time.
89) Added portable radio for German radio squads (in quick battle states).
90) Changed the display units for refueling and ammo replenishing costs (from % to conventional ammo and fuel).
91) Fixed game crashes on some configurations after the end of battle.
92) Improved algorithm for mapping the signal and lighting aids, they divided on day and night types.

93) Fixed hangs in some cases when battle in the operation is loading.
94) The algorithm of selecting units in the platoon at the start of the operation and at the change of broken squads (for AI).
95) The error of targeting at shooting throught a broken sights is reduced.
96) Fixed bug with incorrect update for highlighting platoons that engaged in combat when the rapid movement of the cursor from one battle point to another.
97) The recognition speed of the enemies for open located soldiers (not in vehicles) is increased.
98) The base point for the calculation of the platoons that are involved in combat is shifted towards the attacker.
99) English text for ingame helper is improved.
100) Fixed various minor bugs.
101) Fixed bug with fire-tails on C-5 rockets.
102) Fixed a bug with the ability to set the shelling range outside the active area of the battle.
103) Fixed a bug with the spontaneous changes of squad places in deploy phase in some cases.
104) Changed the keyboard shortcut to activate the message bar.
105) Fixed a bug with the detonation of munitions and the subsequent ignition of the ZU-23-2 crew.
106) Fixed inability to continue operation, in some cases.

107) Fixed a bug with the wrong reaction to a report on the establish and drop of wire communication.
108) Fixed a bug with the lack of a battery commander in the German SPGs platoons.
109) Slightly adjusted description format for the addons.
110) The speed of squads placement before battle is increased.
111) Fixed a bug with the resupply of ammunition for offmap artillery.
112) Fixed a bug with the level of expenditure of ammunition at which recharge is begins.

113) Alghoritm to build command net before tactical battle is changed.

........& the stuff from the earlier patches

We specially laid out a text file with a description in the same list as a patch, anyone can click and read.
http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2013/05/full-26203-57567-gtos_how_to_download_patch.jpg

I do not understand what is the actual complexity. Click on it is very difficult or incomprehensible thing?

Operation Hooper is up to version 1.01,so you may want to re-download it to bring you up to current version.
Also from what I understand the Hi resolution texture DLC only works if it is above the game update.

How do you keep up with the version changes to the dlc content Dane?

Yeah, I just wondered if there was some way to tell from the download page and I guess there is not.
I need a dl manager I guess because the GG site is so blasted slow and it quits in the middle of a dl sometimes.  I was impressed with GG at first.  Now I'm not so sure.

Lucky for you, unlucky for me.   ;D  For that reason these should all be torrents then.

It doesn't require a miracle to increase bandwidth when you see demand spike.  GG is in the business of transferring data for pay.  That's something they should manage a little better.

I downloaded and installed gtos mar13c4 patch.  However when I save and play I see 581(2170) Mar13c2 as the version number in the upper right corner.  Shouldn't I have Mar13c4?
I already have gtos cu 581.c1 eng.exe installed. 

My game says the same.
The only thing I noticed that changed after I updated with the new patch is my game update in the updater went from 4.04 to 4.05.

Will be updated soon, not now. Once the update happens I will write.

Before installing the updated high resolution pack, uninstall the older one ?

The order and versions (only textures pack is newer) are like on the screenshot here: http://gravitac.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Installing_updates_and_modifications (http://gravitac.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Installing_updates_and_modifications).

First is the core update: http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/gtos_cu_581c1_eng.exe (or from GG).
Second, the patch: http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/gtos_patch_march13d1_eng.gt2extension (or from GG).
Optionally, the polygons update: http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/apos_upd_tar_rak_mar13_eng.gt2extension (or again from GG), this one needs a download manager, there are complaints about broken downloads.