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Title: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: GBS on April 09, 2013, 07:56:09 PM
I've been away for a bit. I see this mentioned. What is it and when?


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 09, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
It's supposedly a DLC about a battle that took place South of Kharkov in the Summer of 1943.

Andrey hasn't released many details about it yet,but has posted some pics of some of the vehicles awhile back that will be in the DLC,mostly Russian stuff.

Hopefully it will be ready for sale before the Summer.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3696121/GTMF_Graviteam_Tactics_Mius_Fr#Post3696121


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 10, 2013, 03:03:24 AM
(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2013/03/full-26203-55135-shot_2013_03_31_11_03_06_0001.jpg)

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2013/03/full-26203-55134-shot_2013_03_31_11_02_51_0000.jpg)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 10, 2013, 03:05:41 AM
(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2013/03/full-26203-55136-shot_2013_03_31_13_21_01_0000.jpg)

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2013/03/full-26203-55137-shot_2013_03_31_13_22_13_0002.jpg)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Flanker15 on April 10, 2013, 06:19:19 AM
Will it plug into OP Star or is it a new game?


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Aces on April 10, 2013, 11:52:23 AM
It was my impression that it is a new game.

Regards

Aces


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 10, 2013, 12:02:25 PM
Andrey may correct me on this,but it was my understanding that all the DLCs would be compatable with one another.I hope so because I would really like to play some of the older stuff on the newer maps and vice versa.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Flashburn on April 10, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
ya new game....  I guess they want to change alot under the hood as it where. 


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on April 10, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
Not DLC, its a follower of GTOS

An first important feature - you can force AA in the drivers without any consequences for the game  :D


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Tanker on April 11, 2013, 03:27:10 AM
Not DLC, its a follower of GTOS

An first important feature - you can force AA in the drivers without any consequences for the game  :D

What do you mean exactly?


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: WallysWorld on April 11, 2013, 01:44:19 PM
An first important feature - you can force AA in the drivers without any consequences for the game  :D

That is good news!


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Tanker on April 11, 2013, 03:49:44 PM
So before if you forced AA it would mess up the game?


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: WallysWorld on April 11, 2013, 05:09:00 PM
Actually you couldn't turn on AA in the game through the video card driver using something like nVidia Inspector. It wouldn't mess up the game, but it wouldn't improve the visual quality of the game. It really did nothing.

Turning on AA (and AF) through the video card driver will always help with performance and visual quality. This is a nice enhancement for Mius.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on April 11, 2013, 05:28:20 PM
Turning on AA (and AF) through the video card driver will always help with performance and visual quality.
Maybe 5 years ago. Now its do nothing in most games.

In our game AF is always on the maximum level, that you have not enabled in the drivers but will not improve at all.
Multisample AA do nothing in most modern games (in our game too), other advanced AA method is already in APOS from first version.

This is a nice enhancement for Mius.
No enchancements. Simple no visual bug if you force it.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 18, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167381&d=1366230630)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 18, 2013, 10:16:16 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167384&d=1366230690)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: lavish on April 18, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
More screens found here:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3769198/Re_GTMF_Graviteam_Tactics_Mius#Post3769198


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: chashka17 on April 18, 2013, 10:40:11 AM
It's thing like that that make me start counting the days...  ;D


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: lavish on April 18, 2013, 11:04:05 AM
Sukhoi.ru
Andrey posting some things that will/may change in Mius Front compared to Operation Star
Translated by google (be aware of that  ;D)

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.fi&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D78204%26s%3Df1ae615fa18e22cabd2ea2155fd9edaa%26p%3D1989450%26viewfull%3D1&usg=ALkJrhjUWwY-H7lGCtkL8EMda4L33DrXIw#post1989450


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 18, 2013, 12:52:48 PM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167382&d=1366230652)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 18, 2013, 01:25:39 PM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167385&d=1366230713)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Flashburn on April 18, 2013, 11:39:54 PM
I want tank SIM in those trees too!.   I want it ALL....  I want my cake, and I want to stuff my face.   :P


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 23, 2013, 10:56:29 AM
For anyone interested,

Google books has some nice preview chapters on the Mius river front battles.

Decision in the Ukraine by George Nipes
and
Kursk the German View by Steven Newton

If you Google these two separate titles than click on books you will find quite a few chapters of semi detailed reading on the Mius battles.

I already own Kursk the German view and hopefully I would like to buy George Nipes' book if I can find a decent used non expensive hard copy edition.

Nipes goes into much more detail on battles than Newton does.

I especially liked Nipes book about the battles around Kharkov in early 43 "Last Victory in Russia 1943". This book really put the APOS game into perspective when I started playing it.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on April 23, 2013, 11:04:20 AM
Andrey,

The screen shots you posted for GTMF of the Russian tanks look very good.

Are they in high resolution?
and if so
Will this be a standard feature with the new game or will we have to purchase a high resolution DLC for this game also?


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Sgt_Stiener on April 23, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
SU-152s. Yes please.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on April 23, 2013, 03:03:07 PM
Are they in high resolution?

Partially.


and if so
Will this be a standard feature with the new game or will we have to purchase a high resolution DLC for this game also?
Of course not. High-resolution textures increase the system requirements for the game, with absolutely no need to play it. Also increase the size of distribution package with the game and for future patches. No sense of their place in the game.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: chashka17 on April 23, 2013, 04:25:26 PM
SU-152s. Yes please.

check this out -
http://youtu.be/HxD4mX8vpvQ (http://youtu.be/HxD4mX8vpvQ)

No messing about with lubrication just a big sledgehammer & a crazy welder...   ;D


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Tanker on April 23, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
Fascinating.  What were they doing to the main gun barrel?  Seems a shame to mutlilate it.  There's probably better ways to make in nonfunctional.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 11, 2013, 08:45:01 PM
new screens
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3780854/Re_GTMF_Graviteam_Tactics_Mius#Post3780854
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3780859/Re_GTMF_Graviteam_Tactics_Mius#Post3780859


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 11, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
How big is the Mius Front map going to be?

It looks very good 8)

I'm really looking forward to this game.
Russia(Ukraine) during WW2.
My favorite time period and place for gaming tactical warfare. ;D :D


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 11, 2013, 09:32:23 PM
How big is the Mius Front map going to be?


approx 140 sq km


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 11, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
How big is the Mius Front map going to be?


approx 140 sq km

That's very good news 8)
Much larger than Volokonovka.
Looks like Mius Front is going to be a very fun map to maneuver on.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 13, 2013, 11:38:10 PM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167920&d=1368304288)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 13, 2013, 11:39:14 PM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167921&d=1368304319)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 13, 2013, 11:40:08 PM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167922&d=1368304343)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 13, 2013, 11:42:31 PM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=167923&d=1368304371)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Void on May 14, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
Uff.. how long do we have to wait!  ;)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Tom on May 14, 2013, 08:08:12 PM
  :P Uff uff ....  :o MUST HAVE  !!!    :D


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 14, 2013, 09:17:17 PM
Quote
Uff.. how long do we have to wait!

LOL :D

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SxiqKf2UHVU/TCwzKmMPgYI/AAAAAAAAADo/zyZFekTvKJw/s1600/funny-pictures-mom-duck-says-that-we-are-not-there-yet.jpg)
  My impression of what this thread will be like till Mius Front is released ;D :D :)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: chashka17 on May 14, 2013, 09:18:13 PM
Fascinating.  What were they doing to the main gun barrel?  Seems a shame to mutlilate it.  There's probably better ways to make in nonfunctional.
Sorry Tanker I'm a bit late catching up here...
Nothing specific was said (as far as I could tell) as to why the guy sliced the barrel open.  I presumed the gun had been spiked & he was cutting out the block that had been put into the barrel.  Guessing tho.  ::)
Still it was amazing that they got it started & drove it without worrying about dismantling & lubricating things like tracks.  The guy filming said that no-one living there actually knew how long it had been sat there, just that it had been made in late WW2.  Seeing how far it had sunk into the turf I thinking it was more than a few years.  Quality Russian built-to-last hardware  ;D


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: benpark on May 14, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
Looking great. Any infantry shots?


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Tanker on May 15, 2013, 04:18:48 AM
Fascinating.  What were they doing to the main gun barrel?  Seems a shame to mutlilate it.  There's probably better ways to make in nonfunctional.
Sorry Tanker I'm a bit late catching up here...
Nothing specific was said (as far as I could tell) as to why the guy sliced the barrel open.  I presumed the gun had been spiked & he was cutting out the block that had been put into the barrel.  Guessing tho.  ::)
Still it was amazing that they got it started & drove it without worrying about dismantling & lubricating things like tracks.  The guy filming said that no-one living there actually knew how long it had been sat there, just that it had been made in late WW2.  Seeing how far it had sunk into the turf I thinking it was more than a few years.  Quality Russian built-to-last hardware  ;D

It's a beast that's for sure.  I was impressed that it got out of that hole under it's own power.  As for Russian built, the AK-47 with it's loose tolerances, famously, will fire after months or years buried in sand and mud.  Perhaps not as accurate as an M-16 or a FAL but perfect for a 3rd world warrior and conflict.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: chashka17 on May 16, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Fascinating.  What were they doing to the main gun barrel?  Seems a shame to mutlilate it.  There's probably better ways to make in nonfunctional.
Sorry Tanker I'm a bit late catching up here...
Nothing specific was said (as far as I could tell) as to why the guy sliced the barrel open.  I presumed the gun had been spiked & he was cutting out the block that had been put into the barrel.  Guessing tho.  ::)
Still it was amazing that they got it started & drove it without worrying about dismantling & lubricating things like tracks.  The guy filming said that no-one living there actually knew how long it had been sat there, just that it had been made in late WW2.  Seeing how far it had sunk into the turf I thinking it was more than a few years.  Quality Russian built-to-last hardware  ;D

It's a beast that's for sure.  I was impressed that it got out of that hole under it's own power.  As for Russian built, the AK-47 with it's loose tolerances, famously, will fire after months or years buried in sand and mud.  Perhaps not as accurate as an M-16 or a FAL but perfect for a 3rd world warrior and conflict.

Yeah I recall a field test between half a dozen or so assault rifles.  They put them thru the mill in hot desert & ice desert as well as temperate & jungle zones. Dumped in a hole; thrown in the river; left outside overnight etc etc.
The AK & the Galil were the overall winners, being most likely to fire & cycle after the rough times.  It was only those 2 that actually could fire after 100% the tests.  Everything else failed to fire or load after at least one of the tests.  Can't recall who came bottom...

Reminded me of the crazy rush to issue cleaning kits for the M16 after it's initial deployment in Nam under a 'maintenance free' banner.  :P


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Flashburn on May 16, 2013, 07:15:02 PM
Russian made ak's......well the newer ones for sure.  Their tolerances are actually pretty tight.  WAY more than Egyptian, Romanian, etc made ak's.  I own a saiga rifle in .223.  (basicaly ak reconfigured for hunting).  But my barrel is right off the ak101 line.  From a cold barrel with ammo it likes will shoot stupid good for 1st 12 -15 rounds.  From warm or hot barrel with crap ammo never exceeds 3 1/2 inch. at 100 yards.  Hmmm cold with ammo it likes......under 2 inches with odd ball 1 inch groups now and then.  For what it is this is quite good.  Compares well to things like Ruger mini 14 (new model or old model tinkered with).  Only 1/2 the cost...er was half the cost.  And as for the m16/m4....it works well so long as you keep it clean.  In the desert this means cleaning all the damned time or it probably will fail.  My time in Iraq is why I will NEVER own that sort of design in a firearm.  It works......but to much damned cleaning.  Or when I see one  I think clean clean clean, not so fun.

Ak is a full proof design BUT is getting up there in age.  Needs a face lift in ergonomics.  Safty/selector is something out of 1907.  Better stuff now.  Other than that.....damned fine weapon.  But that has happened/is happening with stuff like galil and or Polish ak's.     


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: chashka17 on May 17, 2013, 11:05:15 AM
Russian made ak's......well the newer ones for sure.  Their tolerances are actually pretty tight.  WAY more than Egyptian, Romanian, etc made ak's.  I own a saiga rifle in .223.  (basicaly ak reconfigured for hunting).  But my barrel is right off the ak101 line.  From a cold barrel with ammo it likes will shoot stupid good for 1st 12 -15 rounds.  From warm or hot barrel with crap ammo never exceeds 3 1/2 inch. at 100 yards.  Hmmm cold with ammo it likes......under 2 inches with odd ball 1 inch groups now and then.  For what it is this is quite good.  Compares well to things like Ruger mini 14 (new model or old model tinkered with).  Only 1/2 the cost...er was half the cost.  And as for the m16/m4....it works well so long as you keep it clean.  In the desert this means cleaning all the damned time or it probably will fail.  My time in Iraq is why I will NEVER own that sort of design in a firearm.  It works......but to much damned cleaning.  Or when I see one  I think clean clean clean, not so fun.

Ak is a full proof design BUT is getting up there in age.  Needs a face lift in ergonomics.  Safty/selector is something out of 1907.  Better stuff now.  Other than that.....damned fine weapon.  But that has happened/is happening with stuff like galil and or Polish ak's.     

Still OT :)
the whole saga of the dirty-tricks & pay-offs behind the M16 made for an interesting book back in the 80s (Can't recall the title/author ::))  The promise of maintenance-free (or even low maint.) never did pan out even with the latest variants.  I get the impression 'mainstream' .223 (SA-80 & M-16 variants) generally sucked when it came to manufacturing something that made the users life easier.

I wonder about older hardware.  The Colt 1911 is still a favorite pistol in contests, despite being a design more than 100 years old.  Your AK experiences make interesting reading from that perspective. 
& on WW2 knew a guy who saw a lot of infantry action in ETO. He said the Sten couldn't hit a barn from inside with the doors closed, unless you had some German ammo.  He preferred the MP40 but it was very ammo intolerant, & the was too accurate for house to house CQB when you needed to spray & pray.
I have yet to find someone who can describe the PPSh in combat 1st hand, gonna have to look harder. ;)


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: Tanker on May 17, 2013, 02:51:03 PM
Part of the difficulty with the M16 introduction in Viet Nam was caused by McNamara (SECDEF) rushing the rifle to production and distribution without having the chamber and bore chromed as specified by the designer of the rifle.  This allowed fouling and corrosion to cause jams.  Additionally the powder originally used, caused the firing rate to increase from the design rate of 850 to an unintended 1000 rounds per minute, causing increased fouling and jamming where the spent casing would not be ejected.
The rifle was also rushed into deployment with inadequate cleaning supplies and instructions.

After modifications, chroming and firing rate adjustments  and sufficient cleaning kits and instructions the reliability of the rifle improved tremendously.


Title: Re: Mius River Front DLC
Post by: chashka17 on May 17, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
So the usual politics over common sense deal then...  :)

Guy I know who was there said they were first issued the M16 as a 0 maintenance 7000-8000 rounds lifespan rifle.
Then there was a panic when someone realized they actually needed cleaning & were failing at critical times.  The guys were rushed into teaching sessions with new cleaning kits which were hurriedly assembled & shipped out.

In the long-term I'm glad they managed to sort it out to some degree, could have been a real problem if a Fulda scenario had kicked in during that 'learning' phase.