Graviteam

Background: conflict with Iran and Afghan rebels vs USSR forces in Herat province at mid 1979
Genre: military fiction based on true events
Landscape: Takyr and bumps

More screens:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=79525

Preorder on Gamers Gate (http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-APOSGTSP/graviteam-tactics-shield-of-the-prophet)

I'm looking forward to it! :)

 ;D 8)
Me too!!

Ya go pay early..  maybe money can go into last minute cool stuff.   :-X

The link is right here:

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-APOSGTSP/graviteam-tactics-shield-of-the-prophet

Thx for this news.  Now, to buy a time machine and set it to 8 May.   :)

Ok I am totally BIASED here as a few of my models are in this DLC. But just played a bit in the alpha of this.  THIS is the DLC to get if NEW to GTOS/APOS/k43 series. It is a good balance of terrain, force on force equipment and pretty quick action.  AS a gateway drug into GTOS series....Highly recommended even in unfinished form..  There are more vehicles that are new coming for this DLC so old hands should have new toys to play with. 

Preordering it will save you a few bucks and maybe the early money can help the dlc get better.  :D  Hooper was and is a good DLC... this one for new guys is better and for old hands is ALOT different than previous GTOS\APOS offerings. 


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 :o

It does look superb and thanks to GT for the pre-order discount much appreciated. Personally I'm much more looking forward to the next WW2 DLC but I have pre-ordered this one as I also bought Hooper but I've not spent much time playing it.

Cheers

Aces

We specifically do maximally different DLCs, and in the same time we check the real interests of the players.

Please dont buy DLCs if you dont plan to play it!

Please do not add error in the statistics  ;D

Look at the matter from a practical side, if you like X, but the developers have made ​​Y and you buy it but dont play, the next time the developers will make Y2, not X2.

He can always gift it to me and I will play it! ;D ;D ;D

honestly you could gift to anyone and can not see why they would not play it.  This one is fast fun.  But I also want to see mius and Nomaghan someday..... 

Now that I recall, I think I know what one of these new vehicles will be... ;)

Well, I am in the same situation as Aces and I am planning to buy all the DLCs released by GraviTeam because I want to support their excellent work as much as possible, even if I am not following the advice of Andrey  ;D

Txema

I bought Hooper for the same reason.

I didn't think I would like it at first but decided to give it a try anyways because I liked all of Graviteams other tactical games.

After playing Hooper for a few days I really enjoyed the whole experience,it was much better than I had initially thought it would be.

Russian front is still my favorite theatre for these games,but if Nomanhan is just as enjoyable as Hooper is I think I'll buy that one too.I'm sure that even though the battle doesn't grab my interest immediately I think once I start playing it I'm sure to like it.

Shield of the Prophet was already on my wish list long before Andrey announced it.

Hi guys,

I'm not trying to be contovesial. I have bought everything that GT have produced except SABOW. Andrey in your example I have bought X, Y, X2 and Y2 etc.. The reason theat I buy GT products is that they are excellent in quality, value and tech. support. Given my preferences and interests in WW2 and your example I wouldn't have bought the modern DLCs if I seriously thought that it would muck up your statistics and prevent the  development and release of further WW2 games/DLCs, if the choice was that stark and of course it isn't. If the creation of modern DLCs informs the later release of WW2 content then I am more than happy to buy them.

Kind regards

Aces

I buy both the modern and the WW2 graviteam products because I like both eventhough I am more partial to the WW2 themes and enjoy them most,but I would like to see both areas get an equal amount of development interest and not see resources diverted from one theme to the other just because one theme sells better.

I think both areas of interest can prosper here as long as neither is short changed because of statistical bias.

Andrey said Some people collect Faberge Eggs, some collect Beatles music.  I collect virtual tin soldiers.  GT is a high quality producer of part of my little collection.  :)  The deeper you go into obscure scenarios that aren't common knowledge, like Hooper, Shield and Nohomen, the more interesting and "rare" I find it.    I recently quit smoking, so the price of 1 DLC is equal to ~2 days not smoking.  It's my healthy reward   ;)

i want to buy WW2 Tank Sim with graviteam engine but there is non...what should i buy so the statistic says graviteam must build one?

Buy  graviteam. ;D ;D

The same question from me !!   :D

I could be wrong here.

But it seems to me the statistical analysis has already been concluded by Graviteam-Hence no more Tank Sims.

I think if a tank sim isn't presented with a multi-player aspect then it will only fail that meaning from a price of production vs sales stand point.

I'm not against the idea I just don't see it happening.

YEs I want tank sim too.  But MP does need to happen.  It may only represet 10 percetn at best of buyers who will use it (sometimes), but seeing NO MP! like that on places like gamersgate does not help.  It has become precieved needed thing even if most will never use.  With that said........  GT stuff needs it too and for same reason.  On the OTHER hand, a game with little content with MP is as goodas a brick as well........

I still think the BEST solution with current issues of money (lack there of) is to produce a test dlc withint GTOS unlocking all that.  Or wait for the tooth fairy to bring bag of money.  Eh whatever...........Gravi has two full games i the pipe line........  Getting them MP somehow should be on the to do list.  Of course always time and funds.......

When you say 10%,do you mean 10% of people who buy the game because it is a tank sim or 10% of the market as a whole?
Because those are two different statistics with two different sets of meanings.

I personally am not interested in tank sims unless it is presented in a multi player environment.

Both versions still require a major $ outlay,but seeing as Graviteam already tried the non multi player route and it didn't generate the needed sales to warrant further investment,then maybe MP is the only way to rekindle a tank sim interest.

Either way both versions are still a gamble and it doesn't seem Graviteam is interested in either option.

I do not think anyone knows WTF the sales of SABOW where....  It was badly handled sad affair.  What I do know is a fair about of foilks Downlaoded my stuff I made for in where I only advertised on 3 websights.  You pretty much had to go looking or randomly bumble into it... LIke sabow its self actually.  The tutorial on gunnery on simhq has gotten a fair about of hits.  Granted, does not mean much.  So total fail I am not sure. 

Stats suggest 10 percent of a games sales are do to MP.  Probably less actually.  But that number is usuallly vocal and OUT there in game land.  SO you make yummy cake they go around saying how yummy it is.

AND your right to fund a tank sim from square one is cash cash cash..  THing is GRavi allready developed the tech.. that part is paid for.  You reuse max assets for GT series as SABOWS have now beed done with GT.  GEEEE now you just need playable tanks....  at minium.  BUt that of course is 100's of hours for all the bits and pieces to come togoether.  Still........  It also represents another produce line.  At some point SOME day (I do not think anytime soon) GT stuff may get abit stale.... like CM stuff has.  But hmmm no yet at ALL for me :D.

I think they have a pretty good idea about what the sales were,otherwise they would be pushing Tank Sims at us instead of Tactical Simulations or a combination of the two.

I think the publisher does not talk to gravi.   :P  Hmmm how did we hijack thread?

I think the next real debate will be over whether there should be more WW2 or more Modern Graviteam Tac Sims.

I was very much surprised when I read on the Sukhoi forums that Op. Hooper DLC did better than any of the WW2 DLCs.

I would be very interested in the statistical data analysis after the GTMF series is released and how the two different eras stack up in reported sales.

I'm hoping that statistical sales data alone aren't going to be the sole means of gauging what direction to steer the next generation line of Graviteam products that we are apt to see in the future and hopefully there will be room and resources for both to be expanded on and modified.

SHOCKED on hooper sales as well.  DO not get me wrong at all.....its good.  BUT how did it out sell all the others so fast?  The one hunting down/or not getting peiper klled was BEST DLC and maybe best campaign of all IMO. Had a TON of fun with that one playing both sides.  It is better DLC than HOOPER and even Prophet RC I am playing now.  But honestly I think my favs as of now with DLC go KILL PEIPEr one, Prophet, Hooper, op blau, and solokova.....   But all are good IMO.  Some just have more of that something something.  :P

I think western front ww2 dlc is good test of waters as well.  Could it be that in apos land with K43 and APOS/GTOS in the rear view people need something a little different?   BUt I have HIGH hopes for mius.  Maybe before it is complete get people some modern stuff to make miss ww2.  :D   But IDF/ARAB ugh.....I think blow hooper out of water in west. 

For me,the thing that catches my eye first and grabs the most interest are the tactical maps.
Everything else is secondary.
If I don't like the map then the force mix and the campaign scenarios will have to be above average or better to generate more than a passing interest.

I mainly play quick battles,and the Taranovka and Sokolovo maps are used heavily in most of those battles and something I would love to see in the future is having these two maps feature a Summer environment.Volokonovka while OK just doesn't do it for me.Haven't seen Mius yet so can't make a comparison comment.

But Taranovka and Sokolovo I think would really look cool and be even more fun to play on with different seasons.

Volokonovka was small map...yes.  But IMO made up for it IMO with tank destroyers VS tanks.  Had to be sneaky guy to use effective. But not alot of replay value.  But good looking map for sure.  My guess is assets are making way to mius.  #1 reason I kee trying to keep longstop larger than it probably should is due to VOlk being smallish.  But quickly coming to conclusion it is better to make small now with as many new assets (buildings etc) and get out the door NOW.  and maybe make BIGGER thing later.  But BIGGER later will have to probably be less developed area out side of medjez vallay.  Maybe hill 601, Kasserine pass, something like that.  Or bight the bullet and just expand longstop to include all the areas with fighting from outskirts of Medjez el bab, to well somehwhere.  :D

It isn't so much that Volokonovka is small,it's the fact that there really isn't enough variety on that map to simulate battles other than a Ukrainian farming community.

Taranovka and Sokolovo and to a limited extent in certain areas Rakitnoe and Krasny  at least to me can reasonably pass as anywhere or everywhere Russia because of the different terrain varieties.
Lots of replay value for quick battles.

Your Tunisia map looks like it would also fit the bill to simulate other battles like Sicily and maybe some areas in Southern mainland Italy or even the Golan heights using the modern forces from Shield of the Prophet.

Its suitable only for central-southern Russia or Southern/Eastern-central Ukraine without the Crimea.
For the main part of Russia (central, west, north or east) or west Ukraine and Belarus does not fit, there is a different landscapes, architecture and vegetation. Even the snow cover totally diffirent.

Since we don't have other maps of those areas in this game.The maps I mentioned earlier is what I use as a reasonable substitute to simulate battles in other parts of Russia.

I guess it helps to have a little bit of an imagination if your trying to get more bang for the buck out of these games.

i am still waiting for a german solokov campaign  8)

You can now download the DLC on Gamersgate.

Hi, .. thanks for the update .. I forgot I had pre-ordered ..  :-[

The file name ends with a ... prefinal  ??? Does that mean it's, technically .. still in Beta?

.. and, how long has that file been there?


Cheers
Tom

Uh ohhhhh

This seems to only happen when I put Oliphant tanks on the new polygon in quick match.

Oh crap.......  Now maybe try after making new profile?  Probably NOT the cause but EH worth shot. 

Nope but it's just if I put Oliphant tanks on the map so it's not a problem for the campaign just quick battles.

I'm getting the same error with the campaign and trying to play any battle. A new profile did not help.

Critical error
011: Unable to find the unit description

[ i_techn:techn_0b002621 ]

Well, that was quickly solved by moving the DLC up in the Game Updater list. No more errors after I moved the new DLC from the bottom to where it is now listed:

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The game update should be at the bottom always and the district update next above.

Also I put Hooper above Shield and it still crashed but the error changed to Wally's.

Okay, I did what you suggested. Thanks for the tip!

I keep getting this error message.

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    Critical error
    001: An error has occurred while initializing the program



I've tried re-ordering the updates, but that doesn't seem to make a difference.

I notice that my DLC doesn't actually appear on my list.  It's just a blank entry.  I wonder if it's related to the G2extension file I downloaded from Gamersgate.  Mine's listed as pre-final.  Did I somehow get a beta version?

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Please install latest patch.
For example from this source
http://steelfury.com/iceman/torrents/gtos_patch_march13c1_eng.torrent

or

http://mods.tanksim.org.ru/tmp/gtos_patch_march13c1_eng

Or at least core update
http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/gtos_cu_581_eng.exe

I believe I have already done so.  You can see the files at the top of the image I posted.  Those were the latest patches available from Gamersgate.  I downloaded and installed them already.

No at Gamers Gate it will be updated approx 11th May.
I'm sorry that it happened.

I see.  Thank you for the prompt reply.  I will download the latest files now.

Version numbers:
http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2013/05/full-26203-57566-shield_update.jpg

Thnak you everyone on the Forum for helping with this. It has been maddeningly frustrating to gain help from GamersGate, much as I have been long member of the eStore and a great supporter of their support staff (if that makes sense) :-\.
Why it has taken me so long to post here is the registration process to register on Graviteam's site.
The site has only been 'unblocked' recently so I can actually access it, though the patch link on the store page leads to a page of gibberish, but the process is as user-friendly as the patching process itself (which I'm quite familiar with now). Only took a half hour of trying different code variations and realising the answer to ""Steel?" was not "Armor" and Robert's your mother's brother.
Now, finally "SotP" works, thanks to the suggestions here....however. Why are Soviet Units not available for "Quick Battle"?

What was that answer to Steel again?  That's got to be the most arcane security question.

What graviteams 1st game?  LOL steel fury, Karkov 1942.   :P

I only realised it might be "Fury" when I saw it mentioned in a patch link. Crazy registration process I have to say. Even the 'captcha' is trial and error.

Oh yeah.  That never seems to spring to mind when registering, at least for me.

The file downloaded from GG is named "gtos_prophet79_mar13_eng-prefinal". So this is not a final release?

Just the naming of the file has me wondering...

One of the support staff from GamersGate has just contacted me and has asked me for the links to the latest patch, which I of course have provided. So it appears they have not received the latest patch from Graviteam Tactics. Pretty bad form when the customer looking for support has to provide the solution to the store ;D

But once more, where are the Soviet Union units in Quick Battle, aside from being MIA ????

The names for the games do not come up from the developers but from publishers (that guys who pays for development), with the exception of those games that developers do themselves. In our case - Steel Fury, Steel Armor, Achtung Panzer - its a publishers choice, Graviteam Tactics is ours.
I think with such issues should write to the publishers' sites, not to the developers :)

Please look carefully, everything is there.

All will be, but not all at once.
Patches on the GamersGate will be updated once the next stable version that will suit developers. This is unfortunately not always do very quickly. There is no point "terrorize" store, they do not take stable patches from the air  ;D

Will hardly to name somehow affects to the contents. Over the many years that I have been developing not see that the game is packed to the archive with the name "super_final_release.zip" is performed better than the same game packed into archive named "poor_early_buggy_alpha.zip".

In this case that means the version that went through the pre-order, but not as usual once directly to the sales.

That's fine, but the current patch that GG have ("pre-final") makes the DLC entirely unplayable, hence searching for answers here became crucial. That's not "terrorising" the store but allowing those of us who bought from it to actually play what they've paid for. Besides, it was Gamersgate looking for a solution that they obviously could not provide themselves. When a new DLC is released requiring the most recent patch to run, the stores should all be updated.

Modern Soviets are with the Soviet Army(USSR)scroll down to the bottom of the list.
They start right after the listing for other units.

What do you mean the game is unplayable?
I've been playing the new DLC for weeks. ???

It IS playable, but was not on release if you downloaded only what was available on GG at release. If you could play, then you obviously had a work-around.
Thanks for the USSR tip, though to honest having them as a seperate force would have been a lot easier..

I agree GG needs to be updated better.
And I would also like to see the modern Soviets separated from the WW2 Soviets.Also would like to see the Cubans separated from the Angolan forces.
I've actually been using the Cubans in QBs as modern Soviets too because their mech. platoons are bigger and their uniforms blend better with the snow.
or even better
Have the modern Soviets and Cubans together so I can use them both on the same side instead of either one or the other.

Not so simple. Gamers Gate is not an our site, and we cant update it in every moment as we want. There's patches are updated relatively infrequently, about once every month or two. Immediate bug fixes or issues still in our sites.
Now available 3 variants - ftp, http and torrent see the appropriate topic.

About QB. Modern Soviets have the same side like "old Soviets" - USSR and as result available in the same list in QB. Cubans not present like the separate force and still stand in Angolan pool too.

GG should inform people than that they need to visit your site for latest updates and patches because it is not apparent there.

There is no such option. I think this is still a matter of developers.

OK,
I've been playing some hypothetical Chechen War QBs and thought it would be cool if I could use the modern Soviets and Cubans on the same side to act as different units.Not a big deal so I can live with it. :(

If You buy Shield of the Prophet from GG without ever coming to this forum or your Graviteam site.Then there is no way of knowing that you need to go elsewhere to get the latest updates and patches to make the SotP DLC work.

Yes, there is such drawback of course.

That makes GT look bad don't you think Andrey?

May be.
To take into account all things at one time is not possible. Few resources, it is necessary to set priorities, now the priority of the game itself, and marketing and other appearance behind a board (it is simply no one to do). Perhaps this will change once.

Is it too complicated and time consuming to market it yourself from your own website?

Signed up here just to complain about the incredibly slow downloads from Gamers Gate. I'm know I'm not telling anyone anything new, but it is ridiculous in this day and age to have a 7k download for a 800 meg file. Time left = 1 day. Really? Hooper was just as bad, but I started that DL before going to bed and when I got home from work the next day it was almost done. I can't believe this is acceptable. I loved Hooper so I bought this in spite of the fact that I knew the DL would take a day. I can download a 10gig game from Steam in no time. I'm sure it will be worth it, but Gamers Gate is just horrible. Hopefully the DL won't cut off again like it has twice now several hours in  >:(