Graviteam

I am reopening the old wound of trying to make vehicles playable in sabow again.  I have never ever in the past gotten these things to work right.   Read...basic functionality.  But having another go at it.  This time with my m38a1 jeep.  Just got all the ai stuff working right more or less.  





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Some fan fire with the old M106a1's.  YAY!  got all the basic functionality with the m38a1.   Still needs tweaks.  Turns like poo.  It really needs custom poses for the crew (something I do not have access too).  But it can shoot stuff.  Still need to get to the M38a1c.  Which will be the heavy hitter.....M40 106mm recoiless rifle.  But how I have a basis to torture myself and try and get it drivable in SABOW.  


(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-97959-shot_2015_03_11_19_56_08_0006.jpg)

real nice bruv  ;)

This picture reminds me an old game. ::)
(http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/jackal/jackal.jpg)

Just say Wow!

I remember this APCs and Jeeps from "ISABOW mod"

e.g. m113a1 with m40 recoiless rifle ;)

this is a self-propelled M106 107mm Mortar ?

They also have  81mm M125.

Do you think the devs can add these vehicles in the game?

devs can add much, but unfortunately not interested. don't know why. with the ip back in their hands, they should come out with dlc packs for popular vehicles like shilka and t-64

They're still adding features to sabow... 

I am pretty certain we will see some DLC's. 

Anyone want to pay 20 bucks for a playable jeep... OOOOHHH 2 kinds..  maybe 3.. OOO.  Ya, did not think so. 

I don't like the sound of the motor of the T-64, but I love Shilka  :-*

Do you think DLC appear out from air at the request of developers? No, it is not.
We are not a magicians.

I think, they simply take time to develop. Then players buy them. It's not so simple?

What!  My entire world is a lie :S

DLCs have been confirmed already.  ;D


That's from the Steel Armor on Steam thread.
I wouldn't expect them to just start flooding us with DLC though. For one they have to see how many people return to the game, or how many new people pick it up before they can judge how much time/money to invest into DLC. Additionally it is my understanding that them regaining the IP came as a bit of a surprise. I mean why else would they not have hyped it up? Seemed to have happened over night...
So perhaps any plans for DLC have only come very recently because I know they had no intention, or option, to add DLC to the game they didn't own.

Now! All that said...The T-64 is hardly a popular vehicle, especially when viewed next to T-62/72. It is also quite limited in terms of what conflicts it could be featured in. While I think a couple involved the T-64, they were not as widely used as 62/72. So it would benefit them more to give us a vehicle they can then add on to with more campaign choice.

If they do go down the expansion route, rather than just DLC - which they may not, we may just see new campaigns involving M60/T-62 - I would like to see something from another conflict entirely.
If we're sticking with the era, maybe Yom Kippur so they won't need to make quite so many brand new assets. Also there'd be a good selection of potential new vehicles complete with cockpits (BMP, Centurion, M51 etc..).

Hey, a guy can dream can't he?  :P

i picked t-64 and shilka, because they mentioned something about shilka awhile back as potential driveable for afghanistan, but nothing happened. so i assume they start work on the vehcle, then stopped because publisher will not let them. also t-64 i suggested because of this below video, they seem to have the models all done and ready:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXwxZMgzr9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXwxZMgzr9Q)

best case scenario. t-72 in iran iraq war. shilka in afghanistan. urban theater chechnya t-72b ;)

It seems a GTOS map, so maybe a DLC with T64 on GTOS? ;D

If memory serves the t64 was  a test bed for sabow.  I seriously think its quality level would be sub par.  As to what ever happened to the zsu-23-4?  Ya, I wonder about that one.  There was  a screen of a news report with it on a screen in 3dmax.   So it exists in some level.  Also was reference in configs in old sabow to its tracks.   :P  But an afgan campaign in the mountains with modified shilka used in the direct fire role might be interesting.  if limited in use.  

With money and travel constraints limiting vehicles to what is around gravi makes the most sense.  You REALLY need to be able to crawl around the vehicle to really do it right.  So I would think a t34, t55, bmp, brdm-2 etc are more realistic proposition.  BUt even then, requires the money to make the thing.  Oh and there is a conflict on so probably no one will let you crawl around an old vehicle or 2. 

Of course not  ;D

T-34-85/T-55 (54) vs M41/M47 and T-55 vs T-62/T-55 in Ogaden much better and realistic in long range perspective.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Ruined_tank_in_Hargeisa%2C_Somaliland.jpg/1200px-Ruined_tank_in_Hargeisa%2C_Somaliland.jpg)

Nice.

You don't want to create a new "T-72 Balkans on fire" within SABOW GUI?

No

M41 bulldog would be SWEET!  Always liked that light tank.  M47 is interesting only as so far as its fire controls.  Basically like the m60.  I personally think a t55 for modern stuff should be top priority.  If no other reasons than the numbers made of the thing.  Many different variations too. 

I think Gravi SHOULD stick with ww2 and shortly after tech.  If you want a t72 steal beasts has that covered well.  Best to not walk over each others toes.  To small a market for tank sims.  IMO. 

But I really want to see some fully playable light armor!  Or even no armor.  Basically tank destroyers with recoiless rifles and machine guns for modern.  And as far as ww2 SDFKZ 250/10  would be really cool.  yes I am nuts.  i dont care. 

Andrey just wants to recreate Arnold and his tank.

(http://www.enblow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Personal-Tank-Smashes-Mercedes.jpg)

i think the problem is the market doesn't attract many customers right now because they are not offering the holy grail.

t-72 on modern engine :D

The problem is that the money for the work needed before it started.
Therefore, all ideas should be realistic and should not take a long time.

OK, then - DLC to make the existing vehicles playable, individually or in packs, for existing theatres eg:

Gulf War pack - Chieftain + T-55

(http://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_03_2015/post-66801-0-68084500-1425594565.jpg)

Angola pack - Olifant/Centurion + Ratel

Soviet APCs - BMP + BTR

Then when the coffers are nice and full, go for some new theatres egCold War gone hot, 1970-1980, Yom Kippur war 1973  ;)

The 1973 arab Israeli war WOULD be nice.  I am going to say that.   Could use a modified M60a1 if push came to shove.  Heck, even a standard one. 

I think you'd have to focus it on specific battles though, like the battle for Chinese Farm or Booster Ridge.

It'd be cool for Graviteam to release like a vehicle importer or import guide to spur some mod productivity. At that point a lot of stuff really opens up

Shun has met with alot of success with the t34-85 and BMP.  Way better than my mangled barely working drive-able m113 and idf centurion from a couple years back..  Its still a hell of a hard thing to get working for 3rd party folks.

There really is no need for an importer for models of tanks.  What is needed is a totally documented line by line of code for cocpit.config.  This is where i get messed up.  Bits of stuff I have no idea what it does. 

perhaps 73 war as a third party project...  

It is a political hot potato.  But if I had a working map editor for sabow might be worth the pain.  But likely have to focus on M60a1 and T62 as playable tanks.  IF I can get light vehicles working like jeep maybe my M113 as well.  Perhaps something totally new such as a crazy playable BTR152.  

As far as fully working with interior tanks ala m60 and t62.  I am thinking no.  Not from me.  Not with out a vary small bag of money involved.  That would be 3 or 4 months of 120 hours a month work. 

Does it work with the new SABOW?

No idea. 

IF I where to tackle a tank ala IDF...it would be a M51 super sherman.  But no idea wtf those look like inside.  But should be a bit more straight forward than a more modern tank. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/M51-Isherman-latrun-1.jpg)

Or maybe an M50 super sherman.  I have more data on that one. 

I have to stop playing sabow and get back to making m38.. LOL. 

Now that this is on steam I can actually see how much time I play this damned game.  To much by the looks of it. 

Sabow is not IMO perfect.  But it is better than anything that has come along for a single player tank fest in quite awhile.  My biggest beef is not easily fixable....if at all.  And that is 1km squares for 3km max is too damned small for modern vehicles in a sim.   I really dont like how you can start a mission, set your forces up and jump into game.  Only to find you and the enemy ai are 200 meters apart and start blasting each other in the first seconds. ANd even then, if longer range and clear day since the tank guns can kill so far away.  You can start a battle and wipe out every major weapon system at 2km away.  IN short this is the last really major problem with sabow IMO.  Oh sure, more playable vehicles are nice.  Better building and some of the vegetation is really showing its age.  But UGH... the 1 km squares just is to small.  Sorry, just popped out of a bit O sabow on the susangerd map.

Yup thats my biggest bleh thing in sabow and even graviteam tactics.   You can deploy right next to the enemy, the limited area size is less of a prob for ww2 though but you can still have battles that start with enemy tank platoons 200m infront of yours in an open field.

Yes it is not as much an issue with ww2 tech.  It still is but much less so.  Also depends on the terrain involved.  For something like SABOW I have to wonder if instead of 9 1km squares, 4 2km ones or even larger might be better...probably not.  Or even a large no mans land buffer between the starting squares.  beyond the few hundred meters we get now.  And none of that is small easy things.  This is also linked to one of the steam forum threads on the enemy forces fleeing the battle within 10 minutes of start.  Basically killing all enemy heavy weapons within 10 minutes due to line of sight all over the map.  No much an issue with 8x and more power gun sights that sabow has especially with the M60  and its range finder.

I mean it can be played around with by limiting LOS with night battles, sand storms and weather but IMO a poor work around.  And long range tank gunnery is also fun in game so do not want to loose that. 

What if all heavy weapon units on the strategic map had a 1km buffer around them?  So they can't move within 2km of another heavy unit without prompting a battle.  Light recon units could still move as is now and the circles on the strategic map which are in low visibilty terrain could remove the buffer while a  heavy unit occupies it.

Old mods in the new version probably will not work, too many changes made.
If the game starts and it will be possible to observe such nonsense:   ;D

Старые моды в новой версии скорее всего работать не будут, слишком много изменений сделано.
Если игра и запустится, то можно будет наблюдать подобную чушь:    ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/thePnzzl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/thePnzz)

HMMM wish this had the expanded size map for Angola from GTOS hooper DLC.  I think I just want MORE GAME.  MORE More..  Ok i do like sabow.   It is to bad about mixed review on steam.  I do not think that is helping. 

sim games get a lot of mixed reviews. a lot of people expecting easy to learn world of tanks clone

Alas true.  Also the state of the modern gamer.  Wants games that play themselves. 



In other news.... working on the jeep.  Since there are many little features in the pipe, I  decided to listen to Andrey and wait for more final release of SABOW.  Right now its a bit in flux in the configs.  Neato little things being added. So working on getting the textures to look better and play nice with the new shaders SABOW is using.  Hopefully new and not vary exciting pics soon. 

It'll be interesting to see how it affects the gameplay. Any hope of adding a TOW launcher?

(http://idfmodelling.free.fr/kit_veh_pictures/m151_02a.jpg)

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98444-m38a1_jeep.jpg)

IN max. More tweaking and fixing little things.  Still alot of detail to add.  And this is LOD 1.5 lol. Its just a base to start right in the middle between LOD 1 and 2.  Maybe more like LOD 1.2.


Whu.. that is an M151 mutt.  The replacement of the m38a1.  You have the ww2 willies MB, the M38 series, then the final "jeep" the m151 mutt...which was not really a jeep.  More of a Ford.  Then of course the HMMWV's took over.  So in short, no Tow armed M38.  Do idea if anyone ever mounted a TOw to an M38a1.  Although I bet someone did.  But the M38 soldiered on in many Armies till the late 90's.  In the US Army was phased out in pretty quick during the Vietnam war.  And you can see every jeep made by jeep inherited the M38a1 look for its body.  Including the one in the drive way.   ;D The M38 looked like a beefed up mutant Willies MB. 

But IDF was using the M38 threw all its wars in the 60's and early 70's. 

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98448-shot_2015_03_17_03_01_31_0000.jpg)


I think I stuck my spec map in the wrong channel or something wierd for gravi's engine.  Anyhow... now with glass wind shield and head lights that you can't see.  UGH.  More things to fix.

Well at least I finally got my main normal map behaving.  Ill take that at least.   

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And how it might look if it where not being silly...

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I hope I can get these things playable in SABOW.  I mean suicide cars sounds fun to me.  Maybe I am weird.

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Interesting.  I now have the config pretty much right for ai to shoot stuff.  Sent 6 of my jeeps after 4 BTR-60s.  Was not expecting that to be so lop sided.  My little jeeps wasted the entire platoon of btr 60's with their most of their infantry.  Lost 2 jeeps and a few crew members.  These are not the M113 that turn turtle all to often.  Just need to solve somewhat crappy turning, gear ratio's, and way to springy suspension on that front.  These things are going to be stupid fun for both GTOS and SABOW I think. 

It's pretty amazing what the old Ma Deuce can still do.

In my opinion the benefits are far outweighed by all the crap you have to go through to keep the damn things running. Not to mention they're heavy as hell.

The M240, however, is god's gift to the fighting man.

Well they're mostly a vehicle borne weapon.  I sure wouldn't want to hump one in the field.  I didn't realize they were so touchy though.  If you want to stop a lightly armored vehicle or potential car bomber or reach out to 1800 meters with effective fire it's hard to beat the .50.

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98528-shot_2015_03_17_19_20_00_0000.jpg)


Now with plastic head lights and glass wind screen!   OOOO.  Thanks to Andrey for helping with that one.  I was trying to cheat and be lazy.  Game said NO!  Now to actually make those bits look good.  Well and everything else too.



Never ever knock Ma Duce to me.  EVER!  I will pee on YOU!!!!

As a M2hb gunner in Iraq I LOVED the weapon.  It always worked for me.  Never any doubt in my mind that MY M2 would go bang when the butter fly was pressed.  Can not say that about my M4.  It probably would.  So long as it did not get to much dust on it.  But with the .50 you HAVE to understand how it does its thing.  And you have to get to know YOUR M2.  Cause each one has a personality.  This is simply do to the age of the various ones out there.  It may have been made 5 years ago, or 50 years ago.  Cause the damned things last forever. But they get a personality when they get older. 


If you do not understand the head space and timing thing your in a world of hurt.  You need to get a head space and timing gauge, a real one.  Not quarters and dimes.  Not all the way up on the screw and 2 clicks back crap.  That will work with some, but not all.  Some are really mishandled by Joe ding bat.  In which case it needs a good armorer.  If you dont have one.  HMmm well it just accidentally fixed itself....   And bad NCO's will blow them up.  I know everything about this gun... 5 years ago I did blaa blaa blaa.    Look! I launched the barrel 20 feet!  Must be the gun...


The 240 is a good weapon.  But they mess up too. usually when they brake its a run away gun or something.  But 12.7mm VS 7.62 is no contest. 

I have broken a .50 cal during a gunnery once. Or I should say dead lined it.  Cant remember what went wrong. But the gun was OLD beaten up training weapon. And I have seen a M240 on a bumpy road discharge. Something wonky with the sear.  And a M249 go full on run away.  And of course every bad thing that an M4/16 can do.  Which is way to much.  Any gun can fook up.  But its usually something to do with being abused or plain wrong or no maintenance.  Does not help that when training with weapons in the military its too much check the boxes and get it over with.  Not vary conducive to really learning a weapon.  That seems to happen when you deploy and get issued something for the long hull.   

So the jeep and of course its M2 can kill the BTR60 with out to much issues.  THe BRDM-2 is a bigger threat as it has better vision than the 60.  But will die with enough hits.  THe BMP1 can get killed, but takes flanking shots from the side.  The front just deflects off the bow of the thing.  And the front of the bmp1's turret is to dang thick to do much.  And probably not much to tanks.  LOL.  Maybe a freak 1 in a 1000 shot may kill tank.  Like threw an open hatch sort of thing.  

FUn  FUn Fun..  


Well, time to add the rest of the damageable and the bits that get blown off.  Sounds like by the end of the month remastered sabow might be in a stable state where working on player usable is realistic.  At least the .50 cal version should be done.  Maybe the passenger version and who knows.  maybe the M38a1c. 

There should be a way to implement barrel changes. That way everyone gets to share in the frustration :P

Those are easy.  2 man my ass!  Right hand on charging handle.  Face on left of receiver.  Pull back an inch or 2 on charging handle with your face line up tit with hole.  With left hand twist barrel until it pops out.  Don't drop the barrel!  Its only like 24 pounds.  And remember the glove!  Or melt your super awesome tacticooool guy gloves and burn the crap out of your hand.  PLace stupid hot barrel in the back.  Get the spare and do the reverse.  You just changed a barrel by yourself in 45 seconds without ever getting from behind the gun.  

Longest part will be fighting with tie downs and the barrel bag.  Or jsut cut that SHIT with your cool guy tacticooool knife!  


You can also do this in the dark by right hand on charging handle and left on barrel.  Just twist and pull with right hand till it starts making click noises.  Reverse is same way.  Except you need to tighten all the way and then back off 2-3 clicks.  Usually its 2.  Mine was 3.  Go figure.  Would work with 2 but timing was slightly off.  With 3 was a champ.


I really loved my .50cal mg.  Wish I could have taken her home with me.  SAD FACE

Was the barrel threaded or like a bayonet mount Flash?

Threaded.  THere are like 6 or is it 8...been a few years. heck might be 12, groves and a little do dad that that retains the barrel from screwing out.  As it passes over the grooves it makes a click sound.   This lets you know both when you can unscrew it when the barrel is about an inch or 2 back.  It also lets you know once you got it all the way screwed in that you HAVE to back out 2 - 3 clicks for timing to work right. 

No at all like something like an FN-mag where you just hit a tab, stick it in an rotate 1/4 turn.  But its recoil operation not gas.  So its more complex in that the barrel moves about an inch back or so when fired.  Something you see my M113's do and these jeeps as well in game. 

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98533-shot_2015_03_17_06_04_55_0001.jpg)
(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98534-shot_2015_03_17_22_05_58_0004.jpg)
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Top is for fun.

Breakable parts are mainly working.  2 do not seem to be.   :mad:  Location damages are being stupid.  Not working at all which is vary odd.  

Soon I get back to textures.   Only thing that is mainly done on that front is the normal map.  Everything else...not so much.  but good enough for this moment.  

Ohhhhh shiny :). 
Looks good!

LOL NO!  To much shiny.  Have not really gotten to the various maps just yet.  Just basic defuse and normal.  That will be more towards AI usable vehicle completion. 

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98537-shot_2015_03_18_01_38_35_0000.jpg)
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Well damages still are not working... a 73mm round to the front of the vehicle SHOULD at least knock out the engine.  A the VARY least.  Usually setting this up is pretty easy.  Not sure what i missed.  And some more texture work + experiments. 

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98541-shot_2015_03_18_04_08_40_0003.jpg)

Damages now actually work.  Silly issue that one.  Simply missing the updated config tag.

 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98542-shot_2015_03_18_04_17_13_0000.jpg)

Head lights and tail lights... CHECK...  

Black out drive I do not think can be properly modeled in game.  So if I get board i guess add in the little dim marker lights for the hell of it.  


Well i think that is it pretty much for AI usable stuff.  Fixed most of the glaring awful stuff.  Still some minor issues with turning not looking quite right.  And bouncing like nuts of certain things. 

So just really textures and some random model elements I want to throw in there.  WOOT.  Then make the playable "cockpit"

Just random interesting pics I have bumped into looking for photos of details.  

(http://www.warwheels.net/images/m38A1jeepHAUGH_iDF2.jpg)

IDF M38a1 with an FN-MAG mounted and odd screen over grill.  Probably to keep dust and sand from clogging up the radiator.

Greek one in a stampede of elephants

(http://www.warwheels.net/images/m38A1jeepHAUGH_greek1.jpg)

Another IDF one.  I think this one might be a decade earlier that the 1st.  Has an M1919a4 mounted on it. and the helmet he has.  

(http://www.warwheels.net/images/m38A1jeepHAUGH_iDF1.jpg)


clearly early 50's on occupation duty. 
(http://www.crosswolf.nl/hfdmenu/2hfdmenu.jpg)

(http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showpic.php?do=showpic&u=142989&a=1087633)

Just a neat pic.  And I probably will make the old school .50 flash hider as a random bit that gets placed on vehicle.  As well as antenna mast and maybe the barrel band wire grabby bit on the .50 barrel.  Just so they don't all look exactly alike.  Oh and really should maybe do a radio.  If I can find pics of the right sort.  


Someone tagged this as an Iranian M38a1c.  Not so sure about that.  Note the helmets..
(http://a407.idata.over-blog.com/2/78/51/53/M38A1/m38a1CRRjeepIDFHAUGH1.jpg)

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Bunch of work done on the gauges and panel.  Its nice I guess, but does not really show up well.  That was expected.  And getting a  that tan look going.  Just after color.  Still no real detail work in the textures yet...that is weathering. 

And that tan color.  DOPE..

That last one looks like a .30 cal.

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98658-m38a1_dash_test_not_going_to_cut_it.jpg)


What the dash currently looks like.  No, not going to cut it for a playable vehicle IMO.  It is totally good for GTOS style rts.  And it does work there.  

Now back to work on a playable dash with hopefully better everything.  

 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98659-m38a1_dash_test_not_going_to_cut_it_2.jpg)

Tanker, cause it is :D  M1919A4 most likely. Unless there is a real good reason to do a .30 cal I am not going too.  For a playable vehicle the .50 is better. 

I think the first IDF one is in ~1970 and the second with the M1919 is post 1954 - 1967 with the old style webbing. All my IDF books are back home so I'm just going off memory here but I think they had British MkIII style helmets until the early 50's and then they switched to the M1 style until after 1976 or something.

Pretty sure they went with the M1 style way earlier that the 70's.  Although I am no hat expert! 

I really like what sabow and gtos do.  But man!  I am so annoyed with the 1km squares in sabow!  I dont know what would be better.  I just know that with tanks with 10x power scopes its not so great when fighting in 1km squares.


LOL... I forgot the rest of what I was thinking.  I wonder how this will work with the little jeeps.  Jeeps VS Brdm2 and btr60 sort of insanity.  :D Which at least in my AI tests in GTOS works WAY better than I expected.  Like WAY better. Its actually a viable human usable fighting vehicle with the .50 cal. And being REALLY careful.  Was expecting the m38a1c (105mm recoiless rifle) to be the MAIN human usable jeep.  Now...I think not so much.

And I hope to be able to show off the HIGH poly jeep dash soon.  -textures.  Taking longer than I thought.  Its always the sifting threw pictures looking for details!  Last night was probably 3 hours of looking for photos of M38a1 gauges.  Only to realize that there is no 1 standard for that.  Many of the ones running  around today seem to be using stuff from the M151.  Which without knowing is what I made textures for.  UGH.   And i don't want to redo that to the earlier style.  See what you learn doing this kind of crap!  And still trying to find legible pics of the various info plates that this thing has a lot of.  IF you pick the truck commander seat...you need something to do.  Ya read info plates!  And play with binoculars. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpC9H99MLw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpC9H99MLw#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyd1EVGBqro# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyd1EVGBqro#)


If your really bored...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P1ys1HN4fY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P1ys1HN4fY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbhTvWJS3Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbhTvWJS3Q)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Muqdfp2mTM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Muqdfp2mTM#ws)


keep hoping to find some audio I can hmmm... borrow for engine sound.  Right now using the gaz66.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXY-EnvJX3Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXY-EnvJX3Q)

72 horse power.... Seems so small now.  But maybe that's all you need.

(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98704-m38a1_dash_test_1.jpg)

starting to look like something.  And can start plopping in some the texture stuff that is done.  

YA, not the most exciting thing ever.  


 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-98705-m38a1_dash_test_2.jpg)

less boring... ok still boring.  Now how many of those switches and do dad's can I make work?  Not many of them so...

I think you'd have to be a wee bit nuts to go stalking armored cars with a jeep, even with a .50 cal mg.

Yet this is exactly what was expected of US Army scouts to go do.  Well against other scouts in things like BRDM's. A small vehicle like a jeep has some advantages.  Its vary small with a small foot print.  It can hide itself vary easy.  A 12.7mm is fully able to kill light armor quite fast.   BUT the big down side.  With no armor infantry are extremely dangerous.  but against light armored cars, both can kill each other right quick. 

And it has not really changed.  Light scouts in teh US army still get HMWWV's with M2's and MK19's.  Although now there are armored ones of course.  But they get stuck easier off road and can not go quite as fast.  Some of the CRAZY things you can do in an M1025 will brake something like an m1151 in short order.   Have a bit O  experience with those 2.

This has been very interesting.  I never realized how vulnerable a BDRM was to .50 cal fire.

Knew a guy that killed a BMP-1 in gulf war 1 with a M2hb.  And according to the Army it can kill BMp1 and 2.  BMP3 is unknown but probably not.  Considering what the US Army is sticking on the side of their light vehicles the past 10 years, I think the days of heavy machine guns being able to kill most if not all light armor are over.  But keep in mind, the .50 cal round was designed to kill 1920 era tanks.  Which rarely had more than 15mm of armor.  A BRDM-2 with like 8mm is toast.

Brdm-2 is a good vehicle.  Well was a good vehicle.  It makes a good scout car.  Its small, it swims, its protected from small arms and shell splinters, its somewhat small, and it has good firepower with its 14.5mm and 7.62mm machine guns.  Ya, its better than a jeep with a .50.  LOL.  But it can be killed by that too. 

yea, that's what I said  ;D

Far from the most exciting thing... but...

 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-99139-m38a1_dash_test_3.jpg)

Started the "reading material" for the truck commander seat. 

Crap!  this thing is taking way longer than I ever thought...

 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-99152-m38a1_dash_test_4.jpg)



Reading material for a bored TC

 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-99153-m38a1_dash_test_5.jpg)

I can not believe making 4 of these stupid plates took me 5 hours.  UGH...

That's a lot of work Flash.  It looks great though.

Wanted to make from scratch and also be able to throw normal maps to show the etched effect.  Who would have thought making the info plates would take so long..  I did not.  Actually everything on the dash is taking longer than I thought.  LOL.   

The high ploy dash sitting in the LOD 1.2 =) m38a1.  New dash is a lot better and its still missing needles for gauges, glass for gauges, and final textures.  No spec or normal maps.  No weathering yet. 

 (http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-99204-m38a1_dash_test_6.jpg)
(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/03/full-28902-99205-m38a1_dash_test_6b.jpg)


Now from here its add in detail parts that will only show if your IN the jeep.  This is keep poly count as low as possible.  I would rather have 20 jeeps on my screen than 1 high poly one for the same cost.  So need to get teh steering wheel less lame.  Add in the cable that connects to the wind shield wipers.  Make all the transmission gear sifters look less bad.  Oh and make LOD1 for real now for external model.   Be doing this until I am happy that it looks good from driver and TC seats.  Then the same thing will happen with the .50 cal.  I want working sights.  500-2000 yard range...like I did in the Army damnit!