Whukid's Kursk Patch (released)

[Mistwalker]

I'm not so sure. Of course there is the very likely possibility that those tanks weren't to terribly damaged (this was more common on the western front, from what I gather. one battalion had a loss rate of 588%, but repaired all but 15 of their tanks),  however the Germans had one of the strictest "kill claim" criteria. The Russian government also isn't exactly the best source of information.

This isn't from the government. Those numbers above are the reports from war-time documents, which were marked as secret for a long time in USSR. So you have the reason to trust German documents - this is the same reason to trust the documents from the other side. If you don't - than you can't trust the documents from both sides for the same reason - it's fair to assume that propaganda editing worked for the both sides.    

As for me - when I have the reason not to trust to the reports about the numbers of the killed tanks from the both sides - I have no reason not to trust to the reports about the numbers of the lost tanks from the both sides during the war. That has nothing to do with the propaganda. The commanders need the numbers to calculate how much strength they have left in their disposal.

Haha all things in good time, Kyth It'll be included in the 1944-1945 Skin update, as will the Panther Ausf A/D, Tiger 1 (late), Tiger 2(503rd Pz Btn colors, no insignia), Jagdtiger (kudos to KapulA for the reference), Jagdpanther, Hetzer, Panzer IV Ausf H, Stug III F/G, Panzer III, and the Ferdinand.

By the way - I forgot to mention that there were already no Ferdinands in 1944. They were modified (added zimmerit, machinegun and commander's cupola) and called Elefants. The picture from earlier showing the model of zimmerited Ferdinand is historically incorrect.

[frinik]

Thanks for the tip Littlebro!

[whukid]

Yes, I know it's incorrect. Unfortunately, we do not have an "Elefant" series Tank Destroyer to work with, only the Ferdinand.

[Littlebro]

Here are some pics of knocked out panthers being remanufackturerd and may account for some of the mixed upgrades seen.

[Littlebro]

[Littlebro]

[Littlebro]

Whukid if you need any reference material i have loads of pics and drawings for most tanks and spg's .
 

[whukid]

I need Tiger 2's, Jagdpanthers, and Panzer IV's Thanks for your guys' support and help!

[frinik]

This isn't from the government. Those numbers above are the reports from war-time documents, which were marked as secret for a long time in USSR. So you have the reason to trust German documents - this is the same reason to trust the documents from the other side. If you don't - than you can't trust the documents from both sides for the same reason - it's fair to assume that propaganda editing worked for the both sides.   

As for me - when I have the reason not to trust to the reports about the numbers of the killed tanks from the both sides - I have no reason not to trust to the reports about the numbers of the lost tanks from the both sides during the war. That has nothing to do with the propaganda. The commanders need the numbers to calculate how much strength they have left in their disposal.

I agree with you Mistwalker; as far as I am concerned Soviet field or war records are as trustworthy as the Germans ones.The only hiatus is that field commanders very much aware of avoiding the ire of the Politruk or the equivalent on the German side would either leave out some casualties or tamper with the numbers to avoid being court martialled or worse or make themselves good for promotion. And by no means this was restricted to the Soviets and Germans .The so-called democracies practised selective stats as well or tampering with the truth. For example on 24th December 1944 a UBoot sunk the American transport ship Leopoldsville off the coast of France.Over 870 men of the 960 on board perished.Yet the US Army , afraid of negative public opinion and giving the Germans propaganda material, concealed the information and told the families of the victims that their loved ones had been reported missing on various battlefields.The truth was kept secret for over 40 years...So when ti comes to battlefield reports we always have to keep in mind that army bureaucrats and officers as well sometimes have good reason to inflate enemy casllaties and minimise their own...

[whukid]

To each his own

I bring gifts! These are all prototype skins. The Jtiger and Jpanzer IV are accurate; the Ferdinand fell victim to my imagination

FEEDBACK IS REQUIRED

Ferdinand








Jagdtiger










Jagdpanzer (this one's for Kyth)

[Donken]

Nice work, The ferdinand is really a big step forward, the stock skin was just awful

[whukid]

Well, it was supposed to look like this;



But I was like "you know, that ones' not much better. IMAGINATION, IGNITE" and went to town

Here's a Two Tone Tiger 2. I might add a third, Brown, layer to complete the tri-color scheme, however I kind've like this one

[Kyth]

Hi,

Thanks, the Jpz IV already looks a thousand percent better 

A couple of things:

- I'd prefer if the Tiger 2 had the 3-colour camo,

- The pattern for the Elefant is good, but it might be more plausible on a Marder or Stug III.
The Ferdinand / Elefant historically had a stripey, net-like pattern with a single colour (there were only about 90 of them).

[Mistwalker]

The Elefant from Aberdeen has a new paint, so the camo isn't historically correct. I have example references and will post them here.
The Tiger's II zimmerit is blurry and some bolts and elements are missing from the texture. The tank obviously needs new zimmerit applied. or no zimmerit at all.

For the other vehicles I'll try to give a feedback soon.

[whukid]

Hmmmmm, zimmerit might be a tough one.  It's really too bad these things didn't come with multilayer templates. Making them from scratch is a pain in the ass