Are tank guns correct?

[lockie]

There's a VERY interesting parameter: 12 Incendiary
Is it possible to create a thank `thrower-fire`?

[Kyth]

I think number 12 is the likelihood of setting the target on fire,

[frinik]

Kyth, is correct! I tinkered with them may be 6 to 7 months ago increasing the value as I suspected it would make the targets more prone ot catching fire and indeed it did and I gave up because every shot would set a tank on fire.   Unrealistic so I went back to normal values. I also tinkered with the frag value hoping to make the HE shells more lethal for the infantry but the results were disappointing.

I also tried to make the vegetation and tree catch fire but no luck. Only with the bridges did I succeed.

[lockie]

every shot would set a tank on fire.

Then maybe it's possible to create incendiary grenade(cocktail molotova) and give it to the infantry?

[frinik]

Possibly.For your upcoming NTA 1.7 mod I would suggest trying to increase the lethality of AT and AP mines and I could try tinkering with the grenades in the common res see whether I can create the equivalent of a phosphorus /incendiary grenade.

[lockie]

Possibly.For your upcoming NTA 1.7 mod I would suggest trying to increase the lethality of AT and AP mines

Good idea! Then I need a reasonable parameters with numbers.

 

and I could try tinkering with the grenades in the common res see whether I can create the equivalent of a phosphorus /incendiary grenade.

TANK - keep away from the infantry 
AFAIK, incendiary grenade was ineffective, coz didn't work properly. It was a bottle with sand and gasoline plus a bit of fabric, which should be first fired. I think from 10 bottles may be only 1-2 worked as intended.

[frinik]

AFAIK, incendiary grenade was ineffective, coz didn't work properly. It was a bottle with sand and gasoline plus a bit of fabric, which should be first fired. I think from 10 bottles may be only 1-2 worked as intended.

It's what we call in the West a Molotov Cocktail based on the name of the infamous Foreign Minister of Stalin....

Re the mines I am going to test what coefficient is reasonable/realistic and then report my findings.

Speasking of AP mines; I have never seen infantry tripping on them or being blown up by one in game.Has anybody noticed whether they actually work?

[fabianfred]

Didn't tank rounds have tracers? I know they do not in the game.

[Kyth]

Didn't tank rounds have tracers? I know they do not in the game.

How are things, have you downloaded and tried the revised files?

[frinik]

Fabianfred has been having crashes and it may be my fault. The files I emailed are of my own making; i.e they combined all the files of Beta 1.5, SP Mod 2.0 and NTA 1.6. This has always been my way to go but this may have caused conflicts on an install where you have various mods enabled. I personally don't need except mission packs or weather mod since I have an all comprehensive install in my own tradition.

This brings me to the issue of stopping this practice of making too many different SP mod and fixes. I liked Mistwalker's idea of combining Beta 1.5 with the Ultimate in his release of the Steel Panzer Mod 2.0.This I exactly what I have been doing for the past 3 years and which I have argued about . We should strive for that in the new NTA 1.7 release. Let's stop having multiple mods enabled. If later we need fixes then let's manually include them in the existing NTA 1.7 and simply amend the downloadable mod after testing of course. This way no more jumble of 15 to 20 mods enabled in the JSGME as I see screenshots of posted on this forum

[Kyth]

My sympathies. If there's anything I can help with, let me know,

[Tanker]

Didn't tank rounds have tracers? I know they do not in the game.

How are things, have you downloaded and tried the revised files?

I downloaded and tried these files.  Seems to work in at least one of the missions I've tried so far.

[natalia99a]

I managed to recreate actual shell penetrations accordind to firing charts, it has 2 drawbacks.
first one is that alough shells penetrate accurately depending on range, the gunshight is messed up and i know no way of fixing that and so abandoned the project.
the second one is that it takes large amounts of time that i no longer have
a compromise i guess would be to adjust guns to their 500m value but that will to an extent give them more long range punch than they had, at least sights will be useable and no more five shot kills with tiger vs t34, well i should say well placed shots since the game does better than you would think with deflecting shots with extreme angles

[Tanker]

Which gun sight is messed up?

[natalia99a]

any gunsight that the changes are applied, a side effect of juggling in just the right amount of drag with the right ammount of penetration.
by current settings the penetration settings look rather high, for instance the br350a needs a 1.25 piercing but falls off rather quickly at range as does shell tragectory unfortunately.
another issue i gess would be what settings should target armor be set at? i read somewhere that germans used higher grade steel in target plates, so what would be a good setting in german vs soviet test steel quality?

[lockie]

i read somewhere that germans used higher grade steel in target plates, so what would be a good setting in german vs soviet test steel quality?

If u want to be sure that german armor better than soviet, then apply the next changes to all german tanks:

Code:

armor_qual=1.0;
armor_frail=0.1;
armor_str=2100;

where
armor_qual - armor quality. The bigger is better.
armor_frail - armor fragility. The less is better, coz there are no fragments.
armor_str - armor strength. The bigger is better. Each "100" increased armor thickness abt ~30%

[natalia99a]

what should soviet target quality and armor thickness be set?

[lockie]

what should soviet target quality and armor thickness be set?

Code:

armor_qual=0.85
armor_frail=0.7
armor_str=2000

[natalia99a]

ok i have jagdpanzer4's pzgr39_42L70 penetration to 2.662 at 500m will just penetrate 248 mm at 90° which is equalt to 124 mm at 30°

[lockie]

ok i have jagdpanzer4's pzgr39_42L70 penetration to 2.662 at 500m will just penetrate 248 mm at 90° which is equalt to 124 mm at 30°

Does it mean that u got expected result and everything OK?

PS
As it appeared, there are several types of the Pzgr 75mm shell. Some of them were designed for the Hetzer, another for Jagdpanzer, PzIVH and PzIV F1/F2. At this moment 19will73 tries to accommodate all shells types(75mm) to the one standard. I'll upload the final result to have a test.