Are tank guns correct?

[natalia99a]

frinik other than the changes i posted my common res is unchanged. a year ago when i installed the then new mod my work was focused exclusively on the tech config setting tank speeds, hp, torque and turret traverse speeds.

[Kyth]

I managed to recreate actual shell penetrations accordind to firing charts, it has 2 drawbacks.
first one is that alough shells penetrate accurately depending on range, the gunshight is messed up and i know no way of fixing that and so abandoned the project.

Hi Natalia,

How are the gunsights affected? Are they still accurate for distant targets?

[frinik]

Is it possible to increase somehow the damage of the APC shells?

Like which ones??

[natalia99a]

If i increase drag the shells fall way short of the target getting worse the longer the distance. it allows for near perfect match to historic firing charts, but is made useless due to sight issue.

[Kyth]

I guess the sights are still accurate at short range - I suppose up to 500m?

[lockie]

Is it possible to increase somehow the damage of the APC shells?

Like which ones??

i.e. PZGR40_42

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Is it possible to increase somehow the damage of the APC shells?

Like which ones??

i.e. PZGR40_42

Try #10 Concussive action. Adjusting this will increase damage without any effects on projectile trajectory or penetration. Try 2 to 3 in values, beyond this will cause mountainous ground craters when the shell hits the ground. ...a setting of 7 (not a pzger40_42)...fired in front of a moving KV (going to a in game waypoint) ...got stuck in the crater and it was so deep I lost sight of it
Also #9 core value, on the solid penetrators it can be important. You can use very large numbers here -in the hundreds

Here's where I wish SF had turret detachment, because the effects as of now is the whole tank rocking or turret deformity. It was said the Germans had a saying, "the Russian's always tip their hats in meeting" or something like that, you get the ideal.

Happy New Year to All

[frinik]

Is it possible to increase somehow the damage of the APC shells?

Like which ones?

Ah Ok I  misunderstood. I thought by APC you meant the Armoured Personnel Carriers the Germans used with the small 37 mm guns or the one with the 75 mm L24....

[lockie]

Try #10 Concussive action.

I meant to adjust parameters from this code:

Code:

apsc_expl_pat,20,0.7,0.5,0,0.8,0,0;

Happy New Year to All  8)

[natalia99a]

Happy New Year Lockie! 

[natalia99a]

Kyth it varied greatly depending on how much drag was needed, I'll look and see if i have any of those files saved and post the settings so you can see for yourself.
There were several but i threw a tantrum when i realized i was unable fix the problem and deleted most of my work 

[Txema]

ok i have jagdpanzer4's pzgr39_42L70 penetration to 2.662 at 500m will just penetrate 248 mm at 90° which is equalt to 124 mm at 30°

natalia99a,

Very interesting work !!

However when you make conversions between armor thickness penetrated at 90 degrees, and equivalent armor thickness  penetrated at 30 degrees, you MUST take into account the very important "overmatching" effect. You can read about it here, for example:

http://forums.jackbootgames.com/showthread.php?1362-Overmatching-and-why-some-tank-s-sloped-armor-just-didn-t-wo

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=110070

Have you taken it into account in your calculations?


Txema

[Kyth]

Kyth it varied greatly depending on how much drag was needed, I'll look and see if i have any of those files saved and post the settings so you can see for yourself.

Okay, and Happy New Year to you too. 

[natalia99a]

To be honest, i didnt know about overmatching 
How is it possible to accurately figure this in?
For now i will cease posting settings until i can find a way
thank you for the information 

[frinik]

Very interesting stuff! Thank you for posting it Txema! And a Very Happy and Healthy New Year to all of you SF fans and your families/loved ones.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

"overmatching"
Txema

Understood RL, but does SF model this?  (hovering over keyboard-rubbing hands ...more tweeks maybe!) Thanks in advance.

HAVE A GREAT YEAR and BEYOND!!

[Txema]

ok i have jagdpanzer4's pzgr39_42L70 penetration to 2.662 at 500m will just penetrate 248 mm at 90° which is equalt to 124 mm at 30°

Natalia,

In any case, even neglecting overmatching, I think that your statement should be:

ok I have jagdpanzer4's pzgr39_42L70 penetration to 2.662 at 500m will just penetrate 248 mm at 0 degrees from the normal, which is equal to 248/1.15 = 215.65 mm at 30 degrees from the normal

The tables with penetration capabilities for the shells were written customarily in WWII for impact angles of 30 degrees from the normal.

Can you understand what I mean?

Txema

[natalia99a]

I got my armor by angle using Relative armor thickness calculator on Panzerworld. is this then not correct?