Graviteam

Do you guys at Graviteam ever plan on going to Steam because there are probably a boatload of people that would buy the game. Niche games usually do well there and the only reason know of these great games is word of mouth.

I hope not.  Many of us dont want to be beholden to Steam for access to our games. 
Graviteam, I hope your games remain DRM-free.

Well said!  :)

Probably not. First, they did not really approve of a games in the wargames genre, and secondly, they have a complex patch system, it is not clear if the sense of a separate version for steam to do.

The day that it becomes a Steam game exclusively is the day I forget about Achtung Panzer.

Simple as that.

Sadly, yes.

I was told by a Graviteam member that Steam turned them down, not sure if it was APOS or APK43. Steam don't like wargames.

Though Steam really doesn't bother me at all. Pros and Cons to all systems and to be honest Steam seems to have the least cons when it comes down to downloadable games, well steam and GG.

Not sure how many times I've seen wargamers moaning over on a certain forum because they couldn't redownload a game they had already bought. You have none of these problems with Steam. Every game I've got from them I still have access to and can install and uninstall to my hearts content.

Steam isn't the big bad wolf some people think it is. I've seen alot of people hate steam but end up buying something and then actually realising Steam isn't so bad and is very convenient. Plus their sales are superb.

I bemoan them out of experience. Sure you can install their games any time you want provided you always have an internet connection, they are still in business, and they don't lock you out of your own library for no apparent reason and then take 9 days before you can get it resolved. But to each their own I guess.

 If Steam does not like wargames, what are Total war, Arma and call of Duty? Hang on I think that I have answered my own question.  ;D

I do not want to start a flame war but it is hard to define "wargames" Total war, Arma and call of Duty... games about war, maybe...

I agree with Wodin that Steam is not the devil.  And when he said "their sales are superb", he was talking from a buyer's viewpoint.  I'm just waiting for the annual "Summer Sale", usually around School's out time. 
I purchased a Theatre of War series bundle from Steam (TOW, TOW2Africa,TOW2Kursk) for 80% off.
I would place TOW as #2 in the realism/seriousgame department, after APOS. 
What are your thoughts on the TOW series JMass?
I would like to see Graviteam Games on Steam.

I  tried it but it is a click fest, sorry, CM is a lot better (but I prefer oldest CMx1s over CMBN). I usually like to play pbems, APOS is the first RT that did not disappoint me.

But, neither of these games is not a wargame genre.  ;D

I wouldn't say that Steam doesn't like war-games since theatre of war is on there and other RTSes like Men of War. ToW: Korea was low quality and tried things APOS got down pack. And if is also possible to use Steam but not have DRM. Gamersgate will always be there for people that like the non steam route. I just want these games to continually impove and Steam would increase the sales and exposure of the game. I just hope they consider it in their future titles. Plus I like seeing how much I've played; dunno why, just do.

Gamergate is bad enough!  Even though I have APOS downloaded, I still have to log onto Gamersgate and provide a code to install APOS!  Why??  I hope Graviteam continues a relationship with Matrix, since I think Matrix doesn't play that *log on to install* crap.  If I knew that Matrix was going to sell APOS, I would have waited and bought it from Matrix!

What happens in 15 years if I want to install APOS and maybe Gamersgate is out of business?  By the way, I STILL PLAY 15 year old games!  Some of these games are still being developed like Close combat and Steel Panthers, but some are not like Earth2160.

By the way, I consider Earth2160 just as valid a "wargame" as anything else.  I like E2160, but I still have to register on-line before playing and it has become quite strange now that almost nobody really cares about E2160 anymore.

If we will be a huge company like 1C with up to 5 projects, yes we will be released APOS on Steam with games pack despite genres.

May be, but the main thing here is to profit from it at least covers the costs. In this sense, everything is clear on the GamersGate and not clear on the Steam.

I have a few Steam games and I would never select them by choice.

Until APOS I thought that Matrix was the best channel - not so sure now.

How about Battlefront?  Too much competition with the CM series, I guess?

Why not try releasing Achtung Panzer series on GOG.com instead of even considering Steam? GOG expanded their offer to new independent games recently, has very large and mostly mature community, re-downloadable games, customer-friendly staff that listens to community ideas and what's most important, it's completely DRM-free. All in all it's far, far more superior than Steam if you ask me. A perfect place for Achtung Panzer series to be sold at.

That would be nice if Battlefront was interested in this game.Their CM game doesn't do the East front justice like APOS,and they have quite a few modding experts in their forums.I would love to see someone take a crack at modding a 3kmx3km entirely urban terrain map for quick battles or mini campaigns.I wouldn't mind if the map was only ground level accessible,with maybe some  non-accessible 2 and 3 storey gutted buildings(ground level access only) thrown in to add some ambience.I think this game engine along with some enhanced detailed stone and wood building destruction grapics, would handle urban combat quite well.Including combat engineers,assault pioneers or specially equipped combat assault companies armed with sub machine guns, demo packs and flamethrowers with extra grenades and also smoke grenades .I find myself playing alot of quick battles where I over load the Germans with arty assets to fire all rounds at the beginning of the game in the large villages in the center of the map so my troops have ruins and shell craters to battle over.Makes for a very interesting gaming experience.

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They are not interested.

That sucks. I dint see why these websites have something against particular games or types of games. They will gladly accept a shitty low quality game from a big name rather then a quality game from a small dev team or publisher. Have you guys tried to get published by Paradox in the West? Paradox can be a great driving force but they rush games that are incomplete like Sword of the Stars II and that new Gettysburg game.

I think I got the original K43 from Paradox. 

That's disappointing. What were they thinking?  >:(

This is a common policy, and I understand them as a developer. Why would they risk it? ::)

They are not interested too. They have their own series, which are sufficiently unwound and is likely to sell themselves due to of it.
Everyone wants to deal with a large company (in which the asset more than 5 games), which is to be the game does not matter. This reduces the risks for publisher.  And small companies either denied or offer such terms that is all cease to have any meaning.

That is, we are making game for their costs, and the publisher provides most of the profits to collect himself, and nothing in return, any advertising, promotion, or at least localized does not offer.

For your new WW2 Eastfront Tank Sim you could use "Kickstarter" like other small developers ;)

I know you  are probably kidding but never use Kickstarter unless you are in desperate need of money and from the looks of it and what Andrey has said on here, they are doing fine where they are now. Plus, Europeans cant use the service and costs are lower from what I hear, in Eastern Europe, so they can make less money and still support themselves.

No. kikstarter only for US residents. We do not have any.

Remember lads publisher can ask for around 50% of the profit! Also unless they have exclusivity then they won put the baot out for the game at all compared to their in house or exclusive games.

Paradox had the first AP and never really promoted it.

They aren't the great and the good alot of people make out. There a business machine. Who have a game engine many buy into, all they have to do is make a new era for it. Though CK2 is a great game, I have no interest in their others. Realtime Grand Strat doesn't work in my opinion, a very odd game design idea.

I think Gamersgate is a good choice if Steam say no.

Steam is just crazy slow at updating small game companies games..........  After the 4 month wierd delay with DCS a10 patch I basicly said F them.  Lucky for me 64bit games are not properly supported by steam and had a real key becasue of it.  Went direct to eagle and DL the patch .....plopped my key, good to go.  BUT had it been 32bit like old black shark it would have been a LONG wait for some over worked fat git to get around to uploading the thing.  I liked imulse when it was run by stardock.......that was there I got K43 from.....which probably means paradox.   :-\

In the end I am sure Graviteam is doing ok on sales.  There player base keeps expanding and are starting to get more notice in the West. 

I never knew Steam couldn't do 64bit games.....interesting

someone from hungary does a 3rth party project for dcs and uses a similar service like kickstarter http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/150836 maybe it works also in the ukraine?

Well theres always the old fastioned way of producing good product and saving your pennys for next good product. ;D

But i would like something like "For 1000$ you get a free Steel Fury 1944 copy and an original T34!"  8)

Sure that SOUNDS cool, but I have never found a place for my Hetzer though. :(

Steam are starting up a new system where people can request games to go on Steam. If they get enough requests the game goes up.

And there support for patches would be???????????? :P

In this vote, our game have no chance in comparison with the more casual games.

Dont worry, we still love you.  :D

Indeed we do!!  ;D
Nothing else takes up more of my time (except work) than this!
Thanks Andrey.