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Is it possible? Is it possible??

I won't beat around the bush about this,

Yes, it's very very possible  ;D

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Follow the exploits of the "famous" 22nd Panzer division!

This shall not be synthetic adrenaline!  It will be the kidney-produced kind.  :o

Kyth you are going downscale!The Panzer 38(t) ;D
Knowing your mission-making talent I am looking forward to that campaign! ;)

Panzer 38(t)'s are for losers! We need a Luchs campaign! :D

Not so! They shall be the true test your panzer skills.

So stop whining and take your medicine!  ;D

Whukid with the debt crisis threatening the World and the ever more expensive price of fuel I think it's time to show restraint and switch from those gas-guzzling Panzer IIIs and Luchs to a more modest and easy-on-the-fuel Panzer 38(t).We have to do our share and live within our means ;D

As Obama BarraKyth would say " Yes we can but only with a Panzer 38(t)"! :D

hahaha yes! Those lazy Germans and their economy ::)

Do you need some historical consultation?  :)

Not at the moment, I'm already doing up the maps and historical description  :)

Thanks!

Well Whukid it's the lazy Germans bailing out the "hard working" Italians, Portuguese, Greeks, Spaniards and soon the French.....Anyway a German Europa is far better than a French one ....

What campaign do you have in mind Kyth????Early 1941?

The Battle of the Kerch Peninsula (Operation Bustard Hunt). May 1942.

They still had opanzer 38Ts) in May 1942???BTW I can propose a good map for that campaign.It's Igor Japan's map with what looks like the see and cliffs etc.If oyu are interested I can email the datapak to you???

I guess that's why they were called the 'hard-luck' division  :)


Yes, I'd be interested to try out that map, thanks.

Nice Kyth

You can also make it a longer campaign and actually dedicate it to Otto Carius. Hes first tank was Pz38t. And after a few missions with that you can change to Tiger.

Heh heh nice try, 20th Panzer never went anywhere near Crimea,

No Tigers! No Tigers! Take your Panzer 38(t) medicine straight.  ;D

By the way, I'd like to bring your attention again, to some recommended changes to the ammunition of the early-war panzers:

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I've been trying out the early-war German tanks armed with the 50mm L/42 KwK 38 and 37mm KWK38(t)L/42. Sad to say, these guns are badly under-powered using the stock in-game settings.

Let's put it this way: you know they're underpowered when their shells persistently bounce off lightly armoured targets like the T-26, BT-5 and Panzer II  :o

I've addressed the situation a little by making the following changes to their ammunition in the 'common_res.engcfg' file:

Upped the 'armour-piercing factor' from 0.55 to 0.7, slightly less than the PZGR_37.
Gravity factor changed from 9.81 to 8, consistent with the other shells in the game.
Effective range from 800m to 1500m, same as the Soviet B240 45mm shell.
Reliability changed from 0.8 to 1.

Upped the 'armour-piercing factor' from 0.5 to 0.7, slightly less than the PZGR_37.
Effective range from 800m to 1500m, same as the Soviet B240 45mm shell.

Here's one that I prepared earlier! It's based on the common_res.engcfg for 'NTA 1.4 (Eng)'. You might want to check it out:
http://www.4shared.com/file/Rn-pIb_l/Popguns.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/Rn-pIb_l/Popguns.html)

I just want to emphasize that the guns haven't been suddenly transformed into invincible tank-killers,  Just more competent in dealing with lightly-armoured opposition. Not too much to expect, I hope.   :)
If anything, I suspect they're still a tad under-powered, but it's already a substantial improvement. If anyone could fine-tune the settings I'd be grateful,

ps.  I forgot to mention, this affects the Panzer IIIkz and the Panzer 38t.

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Do give it a try and let me know what you think!

I already have Kyth a while ago, on your advice, and it does make a great deal of difference.I strongly recommend them!Especially when playing Rend's Barbarossa campaign with balance 10....

So it's this one:
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If needed I also have a description of how the battle progressed and what types of tanks were participating (the interesting thing  is that there were only 7 T-34 in all tank brigades, but 32 KV-1).

How many Panzer 38(t)s on the German side?I would guess most tanks were Panzer IIIs and panzer IVF1s?

22 Panzer Division by the end of the winter 1942 had 60 Pz. II, 114 38(t) and 20 Pz IV (kz)  and also tank destroyer battalion. Don't know type of the vehicles in this one, prolly Panzerjager. Total losses of 38(t) in May 42 were 116 vehicles, but that's for all divisions.

Just to reassure you guys, at the beginning of July '42 the 22nd Panzer still had an official strength of 114 Panzer 38(t)'s and I guess sometime in June they got bolstered with a company of Panzer III's and Panzer IV(lg).

So the Panzer 38(t)'s weren't exactly 'phased out in flames' in this operation  :) Cheer up!

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In summary, about tank strengths in the Kerch Peninsula:

- Almost none of the Panzer III or T-34  :o
- Some KV-1. Some Panzer IV(kz).
- Plenty, plenty of light tanks: T-60, T-26, Panzer 38(t), Panzer II.

Thank God! I wasn't looking forward to battling masses of KV-1's in my puny 38(t) :P

In a Panzer 38(t) even a T-60 is scary ::)...Don't forget to include T-70s Kyth I kind of like thme and they were actually , overall, the most widespread Soviet tank.

BTW just emailed you the Best_poly map.

Incidentally, StugIII assault guns (75mm L/24) from 197th and 249th battalions were known to be involved also,

I suspect that division had received reinforcements to boost it's strength up to official for Stalingrad offensive. 38(t) still produced in that time. According to the Soviet side they knocked out no less than 128 German tanks and spgs from May 9 to 14. That may be overstated and many of those were repaired, but's i think it's highly improbable that division hasn't lost any of its 38(t).


Well, there was a real battle, where 229 tank battalion (11 KV) defended against German tanks, knocked out 28 and lost 5 KV.  :P
It's all up to Kyth though if he'll want to recreate this single episode or not.  ;D


Actually 38(t) has the same armor as Pz. III, only gun is weaker. So T-60 is not a problem. Also no T-70 there (it went in production 1.5 months before the events). Only 60 T-60 and 79 T-26.

What about the BTs Mistwalker?Any present?Any T-28s still being fielded?

Always a possibility  ;D  Although I tend towards 'semi-historical' scenarios,

Every time the Germans were up against KV-1s fighting in a defensive posture they suffered heavy losses.

I'd like to note that commander tank 38(t) "bef" doesn't has a gun. It was fixed by me in mission "find the fords", though historically it's not correct. So, as my point, there's a problem, coz as a user I'm not inspired to have under my control a tank without gun. Of course, it's only my opinion.

I'll try to include the tech_cfg changes in my mission downloads,

And I would suggest one further improvement, to reduce the 'vis_factor' value from '2' to '1.5'

It does have a significant impact on the AI. The '1.5' value places the Panzer 38(t) somewhere between the Panzer II and Panzer III in terms of size and height, hence it's visibility.
It really is quite a small tank  :)

I agree entirely with Lockie the Befehlspanzer is userless.No gun, the turret has no traverse it's T34 bait as far as I am concerned.It was the player's tank in one of Deviator's missions and I promptly changed it for a P 38t with a gun!!! No BP please Kyth!Good suggestion for changing the visibility.

No worries, I won't use that  :)

I understand the befehlspanzer is for the battalion commander to ride around and bark out orders? Not actually for tank-to-tank action,

Ew. That brings back ugly memories of hearing about Regiment CO's who rode around in Helicopters during Vietnam micromanaging the deployment of each
platoon.

Befehls means order in German so indeed the Befehlspanzser is basically the Platoon's Commander's tank which he uses to issue orders.However what differentiate the Panzer (38)t  Befehls version from the other type of befehlspanzers is the absence of a gun.This was corrected with the Panthers and Tigers II which had BPs equipped with a gun although of course they carried less shells than the regular models.

I found another issue vs Pz38(t). AI doesn't want to shoot at the enemy tank, if distance is ~1000m, it starts to shoot from ~700m
It's a very strange, i.e. PzII really doesn't care about distance, AI can shoot from 1km without any problems.

PS
Issue resolved. I didn't pay attention to page 2 :)

Okay, don't worry everyone,

I'll make it a point to include everything that's needed (tech_cfg files, common_res entries) in my mission downloads,
to make those missions playable and most importantly, enjoyable  :)

At least until the changes can be included in an update or new version of SPM, one can only hope  ;D

Those missions are coming soon!

Great !!!

  :)

Txema

And also the possibility of getting the Panzer IVF1 some of the time  :'(

But of course, I'll stick with the Panzer 38(t) for all missions if there's a demand for it  :)

Kyth switching to the Panzer IVF1 is an excellent idea.That tanmk has largely been ignored in mission making.There are missions for Tigers, Panthers, Panzer IIIs, IIs, VIF2 etc but just a handful for that tank which played a large role in the Panzerwaffe up until 1943.

I am for it! :D