Graviteam

They'll be a long time coming. In the meantime, I shall be embarking on a project, to address an issue that's been sadly neglected by most modders.  :'(

Cockpits! For everyone!

Wow, great news !!

For me the cockpits are very important because they add a lot of immersion to the simulation. Which tanks are you planning to model ?

Looking forward to the new cockpits !!  :D


Txema

I'll be learning my new 'cockpit' skills on the Panzer III.  :) Just to prove it's not a figment of my imagination, here's the result so far. I haven't yet painted the grey bits:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EWUW5ZbCPpE/T9_QVBwL5PI/AAAAAAAAAmo/JEP6RZBPiL4/s640/shot_2012_06_19_09_03_41_0000.jpg)

That's all I can say for now,

Excellent news! I think a lot of players are eagerly awaiting your gift to the game :)

Waow ! Some great news ! And very glad to see that the pz3 will be at this honor ! ;)

This is great news Kyth, and also very happy to see the PzIII is getting the first improvement.
Cheers

Brilliant! Just brilliant.

Wow what a surprise. Great news!
Thx you are doing this. The main missing feature of the new tanks!

I would love to have a tiger I interieur . And i have a great site reference site for creating one.

This site has a 3-d cuteaway model that should give tons of information .

http://www.alanhamby.com/cutaway.shtml

whats the progress on any of this? The lack of reply,s and the lack of updates actually tells me this is most likely another dead end?

Hehe no no, there arent just that many ppl in here so everything takes a little time, its definitely not a dead end =)

Nice  ;D.  Working toward same end this moment in that OTHER graviteam game....

Will you guys please grant my wish and start porting this stuff over to............that other graviteam game.   :P

Oh my forgot...........

Have you gotten any interiors to show up in game?

 :D Don't count me out yet!


Yes indeed. I'll put up a few screenshots soon, maybe a video,

By the way, this isn't the first user-made cockpit, there have been others, e.g. the Jagdtiger and JPz IV by Donken.

LOL well I have been a bit behind on k42 stuff.  On my little project......lots of fail in attempting to do playable.  Found the config bit to turn on, but crashes pretty much anything when attempting to bring in.  Mismatched dummies I suspect.  But who knows.  SABOW APOS mod tools a little on the basic side.   :P  I am half tempted to brake my rule #1 and get someone to rip the t62 cockpit.  But only 49 pecent tempted.   ;D  I know has way to many model chunks to make sence of more than likly.  Well unless they are all d chunks...


If theres any how too's on brining in interiors to K42 can you point me at them?  May help out with this issue. 

There aren't any guides on doing interiors, but I'll try to scrape together what I've learnt about creating and configuring one.
Since SABOW shares a lot with K42, this might be useful,

exactly my thoughts.........so hmmmm ya when you gonna port at least that panzer 3 there hmm?   :-X  Primary after dummy's and config. 

Is there Any chance of seeing à tiger interieur allong the line ?

Not from me, someone else, maybe.

Um... at the risk of sounding a bit nit-picky....

AIRPLANES have cockpits...

Tanks have CREW SPACES.

Just sayin'....

My neighbor used to be a Tank Commander on an Abrams, and he talks about getting stuck on various objects in the cockpit all the time

Ya that happens all the time to AFV crews.  Funny one was where a guy in my unit got himself stuck between the rear bulkhead and the turret basket in an m1117.  And I don't mean a little stuck.........had to get pulled out after a bit of fun.   :P

Hello!

Just an update to prove that the cockpit/interior/crewspace thing is still coming along,

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OHeSrV9oC6M/UAotVtcirII/AAAAAAAAAos/QFgdeAZ4XJk/s800/shot_2012_07_21_12_12_47_0000.jpg)
Some more painting done.  ;D

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qFerUGdOA4M/UAotNrjydZI/AAAAAAAAAn4/bcSx-8Pw6KE/s800/shot_2012_07_21_12_08_12_0003.jpg)
How's the going in there?

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L9nK-3mGpps/UAotNggPX6I/AAAAAAAAAn8/aqIn09O2eng/s800/shot_2012_07_21_12_08_27_0004.jpg)
The commanding heights.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kbd3WRdEVxM/UAotNeZuy2I/AAAAAAAAAnw/Tln7r6JBvNY/s800/shot_2012_07_21_12_07_18_0000.jpg)
Remember, keep to the speed limits,

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lLFsYapR2Gw/UAotLoLjhcI/AAAAAAAAAno/l-d9r92ZEJ4/s800/shot_2012_07_21_12_07_50_0002.jpg)
Hmm... my spidey sense tells me we're on course... straight into the nearest ditch.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Of8WZE7nCIs/UAotVSzPHQI/AAAAAAAAAoo/LZ4kNp_W4FU/s800/shot_2012_07_21_12_09_56_0007.jpg)
Bye, have to take a break now,

This is beyond awesome

Great Kyth, Did you figure it out with the dials for speedo, fuel and rpm etc? :D

I set the instruments, gearshift and steering sticks to all rotate along the x-axis.
I think the y- and z-axis are also available, in the cockpit configuration settings.

yeah, y and z axis do work to, so that means you can actually do a working steering wheel (tiger, kingtiger). I did find out some pretty interesting stuff when i did the Jagdpanzer interior :D
And what about shell paths? Have you figured that out to? s_klin/d_klin for the gun breech to?

Yep.

Hahah, awesome work! :D
Can't wait to see it ingame, it'll be really great to have another interior available.

Nice work so far. I hope the gauges and dials can be "weathered" a little... other than that... it's coming together perfectly.

 Oh great suggestion!!! I'd love to see my Panzer III interior finished in Louis Vuitton style.Very chic, very trendy, very me ;D

Joke and spam aside Kyth this is first class work!!!! Me too just can't wait to play your PzIII missions  which incidentally I have replayed( all 10 of them ) recently...

If you report that you played all 10 of my Panzer 38t missions in those selfsame Panzer 38t's, that would bring tears of joy to the eyes.
Speaking metaphorically, of course.  ;D

Hi everyone,

Would you like a preview? Here you go:

http://youtu.be/ukP9Kjh9mBc (http://youtu.be/ukP9Kjh9mBc)

I can really appreciate the hard work you have put in there. It will make a great addition to Steel Fury, well done...

Thanks!

As always, your high-quality work for PE and i44 has been a great inspiration.

Kyth,

Really looking forward to this mod.

Thank you !!

 :D

Txema

Very nice and funny Kyth! As usual Professional work and sense of humour combined.A Panzer III that blinks, waves at you .The interior is really very polished! Kudos!

Speaking of Murkz let's not forget his outstanding contribution to TvsT with the MMP mods as well!


My hat's off to you gents! :D

Looking good Kyth can't wait to try it out.
Cheers

Thanks everyone!

On a related note, about the shell-loading animations, would you be okay with using the standard generic shells, or prefer something resembling the actual 50mm rounds?
It would entail editing the necessary entries in the common_res file, which is always a bit of a risk for the ordinary average player,

Kyth, could you post pics of the existing rounds vs the actual ones so we can compare.....

A good idea. However, the only substantial thing I could dredge up was this. It's for the 50mm antitank gun:

(http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00020/1431464.jpg)

Anyway, as you can see, the shells in the game look nothing like that.

By the way, if anyone has better material, preferably with dimensions, I'd be much obliged.  :)

Well, I think it's safe to say that they're 5cm in diameter.

Hi mate,

There's some info here which might help.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=151800&start=0 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=151800&start=0)

Regards

Aces

That is excellent, just what I was looking for, Thanks!

 :D 
It's the length that I'm curious about, with those I could whip up a set of models for the shells in a couple of hours.
By the way, I found out that the shell-loading animations aren't quite fine-tuned yet, not even in the existing Panzer IV.

The lengths are indicated on your drawings but they are too small to read...Several articlaes I read state that the Panzergranate 39 for the 50 mm Panzer III gun measures 419/420 mm(42 cm).

Okay, I'm done with the 50mm shells. They're not the last word in detail and exactitude, and I'm not going to try. :D
But they do seem reasonably presentable:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R_Ir2IxQne4/UC5NkGrWRXI/AAAAAAAAApg/RLIPzwiZHPM/s800/Shells.jpg)

Watch them in action, here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ldGN00NYGQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ldGN00NYGQ)

Wow! You 'vw made it! We shell shellabrate! ;D

Nice work Kyth!

Excellent work Kyth, very well done.

My only regret is, my missions are so action-packed you'll hardly ever be seeing the insides.  ;D 

Don't worry we will play them with hard settings; no external view, no easy turret control etc.... only from the inside.... 8)

Hello!

You might wonder, what's coming up next. Here's a big clue: It is absolutely not SS-related. Thankfully!

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZBjN04Re5tc/UEdUMO4oWkI/AAAAAAAAAqY/nprmfMA_s_0/s800/anotherone2.jpg)

Your first guess will probably be correct!  :D

Hi mate,

I was asked to produce the SS mod, I did so by request, if it offends you in any way I apologise.

Cheers

Aces

No apology needed Aces, we are all adults here! Is it a 38T?

 :D

I'd better work on it some more, I thought the lines and layout would make it clear,

I will always apologise Jeff if I think that any offense has been caused as it is not my intention to cause offense to anyone. I have always produced my mods hopefuly for the enjoyment of others. As I mentioned it was by request and the mod has proven quite poular and I beleive that it has been well received.

Cheers

Leigh

Hmm. The KV-1. Nicely done ;D

I used to have a nice cutaway pic of a kv1,will have to dig it out.

Heh heh

Glad it's recognizable.  ;D

I was going to guess BT-5. XD Good job, brain!

Aces,

I am really enjoying your mods. Thank you very much for all your work on Steel Fury. I really appreciate it !!


Txema

And of course I am also looking forward to more cockpits from Kyth.

Thank you very much to both of you !!

This tank sim is really unique. A true gem. and your work is improving it almost every day.

 :)

Txema

Don't be fooled by the stubby length of the 'gun', that's just the part of the barrel that can be seen from inside.
(Note that the wheels and engine compartment are also not visible.)
Just to reassure you guys that I'm doing it 'in-scale' and not letting my imagination run wild  :D

Hi everyone,

Just to let you know I'm still plugging away at this:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k3P3DGvRGCE/UHLG00g7CNI/AAAAAAAAArU/2Tk_Ybq__UI/s800/anotherone3.jpg)

By the way, it's not a BT-5 cockpit  :D

Excellent Kyth  :)

Panzer 38(t)????

Just wishful thinking on my part :)

I'll probably do that next,

Hi everybody,

Something I uncovered in my 'research' about the KV cockpit.
Did you know that the tank Commander doubled as the Loader as well?
The third man in the turret did duty as the Assistant Driver. :o Apparently the act of driving the tank was uncommonly strenuous, so the regular Driver needed frequent breaks. Anyway the Assistant Driver manned the rear machine-gun.

Trying to replicate all that might be a little awkward for gameplay, so I configured the "Assistant Driver" as the one to do the loading (with the appropriate animations). The Commander will now be sitting behind the Gunner and Loader, and from time to time he'll pop out the hatch to take a look around. He'll also control the 2nd periscope.

I hope you all don't mind,

NO. NOT ALLOWED. THE GREAT KYTH IS BANNED FOREVER. BEGONE WITH YOUR UNHISTORY-NESS.


;D

Argh, of we go. To the doghouse.  ;D

Not only the KV had that problem  most early Soviet tanks including the T34/76 had the same problem; cramped turrets which forced the commander to double as aloader.This would explain why , despite having tanks that were more thickly armoured and had better firepower than contemporary German tanks,the Soviets kept being outclassed by the PanzerWaffe.

But umm, didn't the commander double as the gunner in the T-34, with a loader in the turret as well?

Ja, that's how I always thought it worked....

My error!You are right guys , the commander was also the gunner not the loader.

You might have been thinking of French tanks. I believe in most of the pre-WW2 french vehicles, the tank commander did the loading

Hi everyone, just back from the doghouse.  ;D

There's also a practical reason I assigned the loading role to the 'Assistant Driver'.
In the game, it appears that you can't assign targets and movement orders from the Loader's screen. That would sort of kill the immersion for any aspiring tank commanders out there.

So, to keep things nice and playable, the Commander will now stick to commander-type activities like calling out targets, movement orders and platoon commands. The grunt-work will be assigned to the 3rd man in the turret, ie. the 'Assistant Driver / Machinegunner'.

Hi!

Slowly chipping away at this. A little more colorful now, 

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tkccQ2QWZsY/UIUTKlL1SOI/AAAAAAAAArk/_5ZkQ-2Vu38/s800/shot_2012_10_22_17_33_48_0002.jpg)

Excellent, Kyth !!

Looking forward to the new cockpit  :)


Txema

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-08-09/girls-und-panzer-2nd-promo-streamed-with-schoolgirls-and-tanks

Cockpits for everyone LOL

Thanks, I'm sure it'll be great for reference.  :D

Hi everyone!
Kyth, any update of that KV-1 cockpit...? ;) ;)

Sure, I'm slowly plugging away at it!

I've got the driver's dashboard instruments and levers working but you'll just need to take my word for it for now :D

Say, do you have any references for the Panzer 38(t)? I'm looking for information on the driver's instruments, as usual,

Kyth check if this is useful:
http://www.mediafire.com/?u8pnxx0mfg3hkmp

Thanks. That'll do, I suppose,

Hey, Kyth - any chance you could adjust your cockpits for the new Pz 3 and KV-1 models?

Probably later, yes,

Hi!

Are you wondering what the Kyth has prepared for you? Are you not wondering...?  Never mind.  ;D
Here we go, a sneak preview of Things To Come:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Qs8x5Ro1d_4/UOATV9Nu7gI/AAAAAAAAAsw/5Vf5JxgZe0Y/s800/shot_2012_12_30_14_04_36_0001.jpg)
The office.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--wNX3MXc0zs/UOATYUfTKaI/AAAAAAAAAtE/8YBZzRv3DwE/s800/shot_2012_12_30_17_53_25_0000.jpg)
3 cherries in a row!

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mJPNmxEAEGA/UOATYXuxj2I/AAAAAAAAAtA/p8I3IcPUc1M/s800/shot_2012_12_30_14_05_11_0002.jpg)
Be vewy vewy quiet...

By the way, I hope you're not still thinking it's a BT-5.  :D

Nice Kyth! I drive the KV alot so an interior for it is something i have wanted for a long time :D

Excellent!

Incidentally, here is a quick demo video, if you are interested:

http://youtu.be/UGqhh95V8pI (http://youtu.be/UGqhh95V8pI)

Damn that was cool. The animations for the driver's position were rather awesome

Thank you Kyth, a very enjoyable video of an excellent cockpit.

The work of a Maestro! Kudos Kyth and the best for 2013!

Thanks everyone, and watch out for it soon!  ;D

Hi kyth,

Excellent news !!

Looking forward to the KV1 tank cockpit !!


Txema

Okay, now that the KV-1 is done, I am a little curious about what everyone would like as the next cockpit.

I'm considering "retro-fitting" the regular cockpits to fit the Panzer IVH and T-34 Model 1942. Any other ideas, guys?  ;D

Those would be great!
I remember there was a T34-85 turret in production somewhere, was this ever finished?
If you need internals for some tanks, the best place to look is here for full 360 panoramic interiors of:
ISU152
SU85
T70
T34-85
Stug IV (not sure if we have this ingame)

http://www.wirtualne.muzeumbronipancernej.pl/

And detailed photos of SU76's are elsewhere on their main site.

Those two cockpits would be very nice !! (Panzer IVH and T-34 Model 1942), but it would be also very good to "retro-fit" the cockpits that you have created to all the KV-1 models and to all the Panzer III models.  :)

I want to propose also to "transfer" the cockpit of the T-34-85 from the game "T34 vs Tiger" to Steel Fury, as Donken has done with the Tiger Cockpit. It would be great to have that excellent cockpit in Steel Fury !!

Finally, regarding new cockpits, I would love to have the cockpit of the Panzer 38(t), to be able to play your excellent campaign with cockpit :) and also the cockpit of the Panther tank because it is such an iconic german tank !

Thank you very much for all your work with the cockpits. I really appreciate it !!


Txema

Okay, that'll be on my 'to do' list,  ;)

Panther!  8)

Hi All.

Iron Front 1944 is another source were the mod wizards might be able to grab some "Cockpits" to mod for SFK42.

Some of the vehicles availiable:

Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf. H
Panzerkampfwagen V Panther Ausf. A
Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger II Ausf. B
Sturmgeschütz III Ausf. G

T-34-76
T-34-85
JS-2
JS-122 '43
SU-85

Hope this helps.  ;D

Gawd that game was bad. I was so angry, I forgot to ask Steam for a refund :P

Red Orchestra 2 is a far better alternative to a WW2 shooter/tank sim IMO. It has a graphic and physics advantage over SFK42, but the latter has realistic penetrations and damages.

I read the posts about Iron Front Lib 1944 on the SIM HQ forum and the players seem to be happy with it....

Murkz and some others are working on a parrallel game ( derived from the Arma engine) called i44 I wonder if they have cockpits modelled????

Oh man, I hated it with a passion. The Vehicle warfare was horrendous, and the singleplayer campaign made me want to rip my eyes out, especially on the mission where you have to fight through the town. Entering and exiting buildings was easily the worst part of the game; I'm just glad they were generally unoccupied.

Who knows, maybe they patched it.

Any games based on the Arma engine can be buggy and are horribly frustrating with the unbelievable number of different keys to remember.But the maps are awesome, the graphics are nice and the tanks are well modelled.