Graviteam

Hey guys! The forum has been unusually quiet for 2 weeks now.I thought I would kindle the discussions a bit with a small survey.

What do you like and dislike about SF?

How much do you play the game?

Is it your fav game/sim?If not what game is your fav?

When playing SF do you use the Increased Shell Power feature?

Do you play the game at a difficult level or more arcade-style?

Whta 's your favourite mission?

Your favourite map?

Your favourite tank or spg?

Doop de doop, in no particular order I'd say that my favourite tank is the Panzer IV, followed closely by the 34/76. I prefer the Panzer because of the much better visibility from the commander's cupola and more powerful main gun (albeit the 34's 76mm is perfectly capable of tackling all '42 Panzahs). That being said, I do enjoy the occasional romp in the Tiger - nothing quite like laying waste to everything that moves anywhere between 100 and 2000m :>
I'd have to say that one of my largest gripes atm is the fact that you can't order the hull MG gunner to fire at will independently from the main gunner - I prefer to take my shots myself and setting the main gunner to hold fire also prevents my hull MG from targetting inf to my front :<

What do you like and dislike about SF?
The lack of gravity

How much do you play the game?
Not so much anymore. I've been playing around on Mistwalker's SPM 2.0 alittle, and I'm impressed, but my time gaming is generally spent on the Total War series, RO2, or SABOW

Is it your fav game/sim?If not what game is your fav?
It's certainly up there, but SABOW pushes it out in terms of Sims. Game-wise, I've spent over 500 hours on Empire Total War :P

When playing SF do you use the Increased Shell Power feature?
Unless it's automatically enabled, no. I didn't even know it had one!

Do you play the game at a difficult level or more arcade-style?
I generally play somewhere in between. Usually 6 or 7 is my mission balance

Whta 's your favourite mission?
This is a tough one. It's definitely a tie between Kyth's Panzer III missions and Rends' Seelow Heights

Your favourite map?
Seelow Heights

Your favourite tank or spg?
The Tiger, definitely. Especially with the new cockpit, I always end up having a blast with this tank

Empire Total War?Isn't it about the Rise of the British Empire and the Napoleonic wars in the 18th and 19th centuries?There's one in Japan as well Shogun Total War? They are rts I think.

KapulA your fav game(s)?

In the stock game, you can play quite a few nations. I downloaded a couple mods for it and now I play all of them :)

I have Rome Total War, a great looking game, but I haven't played it in years???? May be I should try it again.

Do you play RO2 in SP or MP????

MP, almost exclusively. The Singleplayer campaign is... awful..

I really like the Total War series for whatever reason. My computer can't really handle Napoleon or Shogun 2 though :( In all the other ones, the bodies from my vanquished foes litter the battlefield for the entirety of the battle, whereas NTW and Shogun 2 battles only have casualties for a few seconds before they disappear. It's rather anti-climactic for the massive battles that the mods make available

Well, out of the tank sims, I'd have to say Kharkov is the best I've played so far. :)
Regarding other games, I too occasionally jump onto RO2 for a quick game, but I'm afraid I'm one of the malcontent guys in the community, having played the prequel since its release - IMO, RO2 didn't really live up to the expectations placed on it :<

That seems to be the eternal story about the Red Orchestra series ,it never lived up to the expectations.... Still WW2-wise it's only R.O., Iron Front which also seems to have its problems, I44 still in progress, Panzer Elite, or some WW2 mods for BF2( Forgotten Hope) or Battlefield 1942.WE have to hope that Graviteam will come up with the definite WW2 sim surpassing SF in every aspect but given their financial situation and lack of sufficient player base and past problems with their editors I wouldn't hold my breath.

I really enjoy the most about SF is with the game play variables of tanks/vehicles and maps/seasons/terrain and also the actions of the ground troops... especially when they are lighting off those Panzerschreck's.

Play SF mostly in between IL-2/TvT/SHIII&SHIV... lately have been trying to catch up with the latest updates which are really well thought out and made. Thank's to all with these developments as it is really a different game than what was released to us back in 2007/2008.

Do not use the increased Shell Power or such mods... like to keep game play level realistic as possible.

Kursk, Kashara, Seelow Heights and the Desert maps are all great maps to fight in.

Tiger is the king of the battlefield especially with the open fields maps... but have been playing more with some of the light/med tanks such as the T-28/Sherman M4A3-76/Hetzer/Stug III and SKfz armored cars. Guess it is the challenge of surviving and some how getting kills with these vehicles or tanks.

A recent T-28 statistic chart... before I was knocked out!  ;D

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Woofiedog; are you playing TvsT's Zeewolf's mods???? Because MP is officially dead?

I saw Zeewolf's Panther Ausf. D which looks great.The only problem with TvsT is the Mission editor whcih is really daunting.You can't make your own stuff unless you can crack the ME.I have tried but gave up... Compare TvsT which came out the same year SF did and still only has 2 playable tanks...Also the AI in SF, while no Einstein, is much better than Tvst's.

Variety is really great in SF you can play a lot of combo of vehicles/variant and various times on the East front. I personally like the T-70 whcih is pretty nifty and packs a good gun for its size....If only the maps were the size of those in Tvst or Iron Front lib, 1944/Arma....

Running a version of TvT with ZeeWolf's setup and also a MMP7 setup at the moment along with two other versions plus the demo. And yes I read the posting located at the other site that the people have stopped work on MMP and development has come to an end. MMP7 is setup for multiplayer, but there are updates and improvements for offline use of this mod also.

As far as AI [tanks/vehicles or ground infantry] in TvT vs SF there are only slight differences with the AI of either game and have to say that they are fairly close with their actions.

Yes, SF now has a complete advantage as far as tanks/vehicles playable selection and also with the maps and terrain features along with the added seasons. But TvT also has winter maps now thank's to ZeeWolf and better vegetation with either ZW's or MMP versions over the released version of TvT. And the Panther Ausf. D that Zeewolf is coming out with is going to be a killer in my opinion and a real plus to the TvT game.

Back to Steel Fury, what people started out with and what is now molded into a real WWII tanker's game. SF has come a real long way since it's release thank's to all of these modders and the very hard work they have produced. About the only thing missing from SF are some Balkan, Italian and French/Belgian/Netherlander maps and maybe a couple versions of the Sherman tank and a couple of the missing British armor units. But overall Steel Fury now offers more than enough challenge and variety for the dedicated player.

I do have RO with a Darkest Hour Europe setup and it is a good game for the single player with some very good thought out missions and I also have a modded and nonmodded Panzer Elite setups running on my computer, but I always come back to TvT or SF for my tank sim gaming needs. LoL

If there are no objections to some TvT screens here on this forum...  a few TvT with Z mod screens.

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Thanks for the screenies Woofiedog! I have a copy of MMP7 which Murkz allowed me to download before calling an end to the mod. I haven't installed it.Are you saying that MMP7 can improve the SP aspect of TvsT?  If it;s hte case thne I might tempted to do a fresh install. of the game and add MMP7

I still have the installation disc of the game and 3 installs 2 with Zeewolf's early Zitadelle mod ( I was a member the first year in 2010) and one with MMP5.

There are general game and graphic updates with MMP7 that correct some of the TvT glitches of the stock released game. The screens are from my ZeeWolf's version using the last update he released... he has overall corrected the problems of the released game and added many other items including missions/mission updates, graphic updates and vehicles which are AI now but used in his missions and also corrective view port sight changes of the Tiger cockpit. 

I hardly get the time these days for games but I do like my sims.  I have heavily modded versions of IL2, SH4, FS9, and historic racing sims like Grand Prix Legends and GT Legends/Power&Glory mod. As well as stuff like Close Combat games which I think are excellent.  Overall, I like the games that nobody has heard of and have been commercial failures!

I like SF as it's the tank sim that I've been waiting years for - good graphics, atmospheric and 3d interiors.  I really don't understand why there aren't more tank simulators as World of Tanks, whatever you think of it, has shown that the armour genre has mass appeal.

I really like how I can view the vehicles at the end of the battle and analyse each hit mark, I probably spend more time doing that than playing the actual battle!  I play both german and russian but have a penchant for SPG's and tank destroyers.

Dislikes:
I really struggle with the mission editor. So I know that there are loads of vehicles that I can play, but I'm only limited to missions which are made for that vehicle, so I haven't been able to try the ISU122 or anything that doesnt have a specific mission released yet.

Lack of MP really hurts the mass appeal of the game.

Lack of efficiency with modern processors.  I used to play the game on an old machine with moderate fps performance, but it has almost the same performance on my, far newer, machine.

Lack of battle organiser, or some kind of meaningful pre-battle setup mode.

Lack of AA unless you can manage to force the settings.

Lack of urban (or anything other than timber shacks) that would be great for blasting with SPGs!

Not to go off topic, but what mods do you use for IL-2? I've tried for a year now to get DBW to work, but I always get some horrendous bug, like bouncing wreckages or something (flying into the earth at a 75 degree angle sent the fuselage into space)

RE the lack of optimisation of the game I am with you Stig, although having a good graphic card and at 6 gbs of RAM and a modernintel i5 or i7 really makes the difference.You can also tweak your performance through Nvidia control panel or ATI Catalyst...

I have an old satellite with an intel Centrino , 4gbs of RAM and an ATI HD 3670 ( 512 mbs of ddr3) I get anywhere from 12 to 30 fps depending on the missions.

On  desktop with an i7 970, 8 gbs RAM and an ATI HD 5670 gddr5 I get usually 35 fps on average up to 60 now with SP Mod 2.0

On a Toshiba Qosmio with an i5 3370, 6 gbs of RAM and an Nvidia GTX560M (1.5 gbs of gddr5) I get about the same values...

But compared to modern games like CodMW3, Black Ops2, Crysis, Arma or Battlefield3 these are paltry numbers.I get much higher fps playing these these games, more graphic intensive , than SF...


The ME is not that hard to master if you are wuilling to make basic battle missions to play or test the new tanks/spgs.I recommend Friedrich Wilhelm's tutorials, they really help you get going! The link is poste don our forum.

Quote... I really don't understand why there aren't more tank simulators as World of Tanks, whatever you think of it, has shown that the armour genre has mass appeal.

Agree with this statement and have to say there were a fair amount of followers at the Lighthouse site when these two games SF & TvT were released with high hopes by many that there was a quality tank sim coming out for either multiplayer or offline gamers.  But soon and sadly afterwards Lighthouse went into bankruptcy and closed shop and soon many of these people dropped of the map after the site closed also. I believe tank sims lost a lot of support and potential gamers when this happened.

On another note... SF has great choice with either the Panther Ausf A/D/G, but there is another Panther available for tank simmers that comes with a very comfortable cockpit and smooth as silk ride for over those torn up battlefields.   8)

Made a few changes with the screenshots... so you might want to look them over again.

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Actually Woofiedog you stole my question to you. How's Zeewolf's Panther? How many new missions come with it? TvsT is finally getting anew tank model more than 5 years after it was released on the market! If he is interested I have a good gun sound to propose to him for the Panther's KwK42 instead of the one by default in game.

Re Lighthouse bankrupcy; I think it was also the disappointment felt by many sim fans with TvsT's constant coding bugs and glitches, terrible AI, the limited 12 heavily scripted missions, the opaque Mission Editor. SF's also did not offer MP nor co-op which I think turned off a lot of potential buyers....

How's Zeewolf's Panther?

There is really not much not to like... it has the speed and maneuverability out in the field to help keep out of trouble and great armor for protection along with a powerful gun for those long distance shots, although at this time it has just one mission. But overall a wicked ride! LoL

You should e-mail him about the sound.

Yes, there was a lot of mixed emotions when Lighthouse went under. But then again we are very fortunate that both games have risen up and survived with thank's going out to Graviteam and the group of talented modder's of this community keeping tank gaming alive and you can not leave out the RO or I44 community. But also an item that I believe is important is that Steel Fury still has a lot of room for growth with such areas as the Japanese, Polish, French and Italian Campaigns.  And hopefully more people will see what is being offered and also the excellent community here and take an interest in tanksim gaming.

How does it compare with the various Panther models we have in SF???

Compared with the Panther models in SF overall the Panther D is very simular in speed, maneuverability, protection and long distance hitting power of the main gun which can out gun the T-34's. The ZW cockpit is really well done and this gives a realistic feel to the game when playing the Panther in TvT. Also the tank shifts through gears more simular to real life, with added puffs of smoke from with the exhaust during shifts.

Have to say that the graphic's of the ZW Panther, skin and interior cockpit are a step up from the models offered in SF which I am not at all complaining about. SF vs TvT... there are pluses & minuses for both games... but both offer a great tank sim for player's especially when talking about the out of box stock game for either game.

Just take a look at the Panzer Elite game and see how far modder's brought that game from the stock out of the box game. Yes, tank sims have come a long way over the years... I still have a working Fairchild Channel F game console with the Desert Fox tank game. Talk about days gone by! LoL

But thankfully to the game developer's and community of modder's, we all will be looking forward to seeing what the future will be offering us.

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Interesting comparison :D And cool to see. But from what i can tell, the models looks almost identical. Difference is its a much better texture in TvT, and also better shadows. That does alot :D

Hi Woofiedog,

Thank you very much for the information about T34 vs Tiger with ZW mod !!

Let me ask a question: can you comment on the frames per second that you are getting now with ZW mod ?? The FPS have always been a problem for me with ZW mod. I have always got much better FPS in Steel Fury. I know the FPS obviously depend on your PC, but how many FPS are you getting now with ZW mod ?? Are they a problem for you to enjoy the mod ??

Thank you very much for your help !!


Txema

The low fps in Zeewolf's Kursk mod was one of the reasons I stopped buying into the scheme.During heavy artillery shelling I'd be lucky to get 8 to 11 fps and heavy stuttering.Whereas in the stock TvsT i'd easily get 40 or more.In SF with the same system I would easily get 40 to 60 and even in missions with lots of shelling, tanks at least 22 to 25.

I see you have the kill rings for the Panther too...;-))))

I like Zeewolf despite his somewhat unorthodox political opinions.He's a straight shooter and a very dedicated guy. I simply eish he would give tutorias to his members on how to use the ME.I asked him more than once and he always dodged the issue.

The PPX-2 mod for PE made by Shlomo and BritAldo44 really has given the ol' girl a lease on life.

Can not run some missions for Fraps testing today, but will do so in the next couple days or so. Can say I run either game with pretty much max settings with no studder or frame freeze.

My rig... Windows 7 Professional 64-bit,  AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, ASUS Crosshair V Formula motherboard with AMD 990FX Chipset, 8GB Mushkin Ridgeback Redline Enhanced DDR3, EVGA GTX 580 and a Silverstone Strider Plus 1000W. I do not overclock, although I could from the built in OC system of the motherboard.

My NIVIDA control setting for both games.

Steel Fury.

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T-34 vs Tiger.

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And here are my game settings.

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Wow!I wish I could have specs like that! Good for you! :D MInd you I run these games at 1680 X 1050 but with AA disabled...

It does want you want it to do... guess you can't ask more than that.

Thank you very much for the information, Woofiedog !!


Txema

No problem and hope you can use the info.  Here are a few Frap screenshots while running the Panther mission. It is a good mission as it has the artillery blasting away in the begining. Frame rate was at the lowest 17 and 27-30 at the highest.

Panther Mission Screens.

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With the ZW Zitadelle M1 Attack mission the game was playing out at 3 to 10 frame rate and this mission has the largest artillery barrage of the missions. These I took while in the cockpit, while using the external camera frame rate was about the same. And while running this mission I did not encounter any freeze or studder even though the mission was running at a lower frame rate. I did try and setup a Fraps video clip, but I'm not to good in this area and all of my clips were too large for uploading at the file sites.

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If there is any specific test you would want, I'll try and have a run with it.

 

Also ran a couple of MMP7 MP missions and was getting in between 80 thur 50 frame rate again using Fraps and there was no else joined in which would make a different I'm sure with the frame rate.

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The other Tank Sim doesn't have any Inf does it? That puts me off totally.

Lovely to see the ole girl :)

Yes...  MMP7 is an excellent TvT version with very much improved graphics, skins and other changes.

wodin... Infantry is in both games, if I had a little more time I'd have a few more screens. As in SF, TvT has infantry that attacks and supports the armor depending on the mission played.

But here are are a few screens.

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Yes there's infantry in TvsT but it's just for show.They're totally passive and do nothing except run around begging to be machine-gunned.SF's infantry is a tad better: it's more reactive and at least they crawl, throw grenades at you, hide in trenches,shoot, run away from their tanks or positions although at times they just kneel waiting to be slaughtered.

Steel Fury and Panzer Elite are my off line tank sim's of choice. The community have advanced both to be excellent tank sim's with many vehicles and missions to play.

I would play SF constantly if it had multi-player, I know some people have no care for mp but I am lucky enough to have a great group of tanking friends and we enjoying nothing more than tanking online.

We have a very limited choice and the majority of us now mainly play World of Tanks. TvsT was never finished and the MP is poor because of it, hence no infantry, trees in different positions on the clients pc, etc...

We have also restarted playing Battleground Europe as it is now free to play, probably the most visceral mp tank sim, one mistake and you are dead and lots of players/targets to shoot at and be shot at :)

Jeff

Murkz; what about i44? I have checked the forum and not much going on?

Have you tried Red Orchestra Ost Front and R.O2?

Hi frinik,

I am very grateful to have i44, RO and RO2, all of them have there merits and we are talking MP :)

Though none have a single persistent map of most of northern Europe to half scale as WW2OL has. Take this week as an example:

Started in Bastogne defending the town, did a nice job too :)

Log in next day Bastogne is now Allied, spent all the rest of this week trying to take it back. Had a very good session in the Pzr 4G yesterday, which ranged from inf removal to long gunning at 2.5km.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogEjCZn8mHY

I like my tank sims to be in open environments where i can maneuver and go any way I wish, yes i44 has that and RO to an extent :) that is why I play them all on occasion.

Oh and don't forget Heroes and Generals now in open beta. Stupidly beautiful tank models :) and more work to be done on the tanks :)

Quote... Yes there's infantry in TvsT but it's just for show.They're totally passive and do nothing except run around begging to be machine-gunned.SF's infantry is a tad better: it's more reactive and at least they crawl, throw grenades at you, hide in trenches,shoot, run away from their tanks or positions although at times they just kneel waiting to be slaughtered.

Yes... in the Bug River mission there is a German soldier crawling across the bridge going into the attack the Soviet Checkpoint. LoL

Both games SF and TvT the infantry basically are lambs of slaughter for the tanks. With SF infantry being able to shoot the anti-tank rifle and lob a grenade here and there at you. But if you wanted an infantry game you would be playing Medal of Honor, Brothers in Arms or one of the many other related games.

As I stated before...  SF now has a complete advantage as far as tanks/vehicles playable selection and also with the maps and terrain features along with the added seasons. And one item that Panzer Elite has over SF & TvT is that you are better able to direct other units to attack a target or etc. Although with TvT you do have a wingman that follows along with you into attack and with SF you can direct units to an area for attack.

And also just recently did update my Panzer Elite setup.  ;D

after reading your post Mukrz I just registered for Heroes and Generals. I am curious to see what kind of game it is.Battleground Europe looks too old for me...

If only Panzer Elite could be modernised and brought up to SF or TvsT's standards :o

There 's something promising coming up worth watching:http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3719084/War_Thunder_Tanks#Post3719084

Heroes and Generals looks promising. I used to play WWIIOL/BE a few years ago, it was great then but I tried to go back to it recently but it had lost its appeal with me.

Ah, another dislike with SF, and maybe it's due to the massiveness of the mods, is the very slow mission loading times. It does take forever on my machine and it feels like being back in the days of my old 486 trying to load EF2000!

I tried the H&G beta awhile ago I wasn't really impressed to be honest.

Loved RO years ago..was very disappointed with RO2

I do understand about the Inf in SF and it's a Tank sim which is obvious so saying if you want Inf in the game you need to play a FPS seems abit odd. I love seeing the Inf charge and shooting at the other Inf as it all adds to the immersion...thats what i like about SF the atmosphere and the Inf really make it all feel like a huge battle, whether they are very effective Tank killers is beside the point, they attack villages and attack the enemy soldiers. I heard TvsT didn't have that. So does it have Inf fighting other Inf all around or not?

StuG808 what kind of processor do you have?

Some missions take a buit of time but overall it's quite quick for me!

R.O. 2 has had some improvements according to what I read on their forum.I think it's a work in progress. I am planning on getting it as the price looks right. It will be a nice change of pace from playing BF3 MP .

Infantry can kill the fps like nothing else in SF.Even shelling and putting aircraft does not affect fps as much as adding soldiers .

Yes in SF you can make missions with infantry attacking other infantry or AT/Artillery positions  and I agree with you it's fun to have hundreds of soldiers moving on and stroming a village or fortified point but sadly enough , unless you have a monster pc, the fps become so low that yopu have to limit your ambition to a couple of platoons on either side  if you wnat to have tanks/spgs/apcs and guns as well. SP Mod 2.0 has improved the fps situation somewhat but still...In TvsT the ME is a mystery thus you have to rely on what's in the stock missions or what Zeewolf is doing for cash but he  is not focussing on infantry veyr much.

I have to agree with you on that point it is not the prettiest game but we have so little choice.

True enough! I wish we could have online WW2 game with Crysis1/2/3 or Arma2/3 graphics, Iron Front Lib maps, Steel Fury ME, Panzer Elite's tank models, R.O or WWII online's gameplay and I think I'd satisfied! Am I asking too much ??? ;D

Don't forget Steel Beasts excellent mission planner :)

As a heads up CloD (Cliffs of Dover) Mod Team Fusion have managed to make the tanks playable in an unreleased mod.

Very early days but with massive potential for us tankers :)

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?3431-WIP-Playable-Vehicles-and-Tanks

For more info.

Yes CloD look spromising but apparently it's suffering from lots of bugs....


Heroes and Generals I tried but after an hour I uninstalled; poor graphics and the gameplay was more like CoD2 MP. I play BF1942 free to play once in a while and I find it better and more interesting than Hs & Gs. My opinion though....