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Title: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on February 23, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
Hi resolution textures for encyclopedia and game for some vehicles:
- GAZ-MM
- Pz I ausf. F
- PzB. 41
- T-60 mod. 1941
- Pz III ausf. N
- Pz III ausf. J (kz and lg)
- Pz III ausf. L and Fl
- Pz II ausf. C and F
- T-26 mod. 1939 and 1940
- Marder II Sdkfz 131 and 132
- Marder III ausf. H
- StuG III ausf. F/8
- BA-64
- Sdkfz 231/232 8-rad.
- Sdkfz 251/1, 251/2, 251/9, 251/10
- T-34 mod. 1941 and 1942
- Mk II Matilda and Matilda CS
- KV-1 mod. 1942 with cast, RF cast and simple weld turrets.

Will be available free demo version to see and appreciate for vehicles:
- GAZ-MM
- Pz I ausf. F
- PzB. 41
- T-60 mod. 1941
- Pz III ausf. N


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on February 23, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
With pics
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3740594/GTOS_APOS_New_DLC#Post3740594


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tanker on February 24, 2013, 03:19:07 AM
Any other content than the hi res vehicles?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on February 24, 2013, 03:40:51 AM
Any other content than the hi res vehicles?

Yes,could we please see a picture of the new Operations map.

The maps are always what I like most from this game.

Always wished there were more maps.There is enough other content in the game to potentially recreate 1,000s of other battles between 1941-43,but sadly the limited amount of maps only allows for semi realistically recreating a very small percentage of them :(


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on February 24, 2013, 05:09:52 AM
Any other content than the hi res vehicles?

Yes,could we please see a picture of the new Operations map.

The maps are always what I like most from this game.

Always wished there were more maps.There is enough other content in the game to potentially recreate 1,000s of other battles between 1941-43,but sadly the limited amount of maps only allows for semi realistically recreating a very small percentage of them :(

Hmmm the DLC IS the High RES textures.  Wonder what the price point will be?  Or any other schemes. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on February 24, 2013, 05:15:59 AM
What!

A DLC with high res textures as its only content? :'(

Can't say I'm too excited about that.I think maybe there is a misunderstanding here.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on February 24, 2013, 08:13:26 AM
A DLC with high res textures as its only content? :'(
Yes in a DLC with Hi res textures - hi res textures is only one content.

Can't say I'm too excited about that.I think maybe there is a misunderstanding here.
Why worry about is not clear. This is at last the first normal DLC, as in other games.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Missouri_Rebel on February 24, 2013, 03:50:41 PM
Is that a side by side comparison in the pic you posted? Maybe my eyes are not good at picking out the right detail, but I don't really see the difference.

Where to buy and how much?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on February 24, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
I mentioned this at Sim HQ..I think this is what they call a micro DLC similar to what other games have...Though I see very little difference..if the price is low then I'm sure it will sell..at normal DLC price..well I can't see many buying it.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on February 24, 2013, 09:24:35 PM
I might have to pass on this one. I'm not sure it would benefit gameplay much for me, since I'm already playing on mid-low graphic settings :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on February 24, 2013, 09:31:45 PM
I would like to note that we do not insist on buying DLC. This is a personal matter, it makes no sense to write that I did not buy another without seeing that in fact will change, etc. It looks like something very strange  ???


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on February 24, 2013, 09:33:58 PM
And yes, this DLC will be very expensive, like almost any classic DLC - only for rich guys  ;D.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on February 24, 2013, 10:01:29 PM
I'm sure this micro-DLC will appeal to the tank enthusiasts who play this game.

For Me though it's not very high on my list of things I would have wanted to see next in the game.
If it offers some new camo schemes for quick battles like Spring ,Summer and Fall camo schemes,that most likely would pique My interest,but just higher resolution for the tanks isn't anything that I would consider a must have for my gaming enjoyment.

If Graviteam wants to do micro-DLCs I would prefer new maps or maybe new Infantry formations like the GrossDeutcshland motorised Division or Partisans,paratroopers or Hungarians for quick battle use.

Even some new campaign scenarios for the old maps would be a welcome addition for micro-DLC status and I would cough up some money for that too,but a mini mod for higher tank resolutions for a game that isn't even a tank sim just doesn't seem to hit the spot for me.

New maps(always) would be very high on My list for micro-DLCs or even just changing the seasonal look on the old maps.I think Volokonovka would be nice with a Winter setting and Krasnaya Polyana would look really good with a Summer season also.I would have no problem forking over some money for the above mentioned suggestions.

I play mostly quick battles and tanks really don't play much of a role in those battles,while I like tanks and the art work for them in the game is excellent they aren't My main interest for purchasing the game.

I think most of us had gotten use to the idea of a Graviteam DLC having a new map and few campaigns included and expected to see the new Graviteam Tactics series kick off by show casing a new map and campaign first then maybe a follow up with the micro-DLCs.This is like being served dessert before tasting the main course.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on February 25, 2013, 02:00:12 AM
Its just fun little eye candy.  You certainly do not have to buy it.  But on the other hand if priced like simular things and it like 2 bucks or something........  Why not?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on February 25, 2013, 03:24:55 AM
Was hoping for a bone with a little more meat on it to keep Me satisfied till the Mius Front project or whatever it is Graviteam plans on releasing next that involes a new map and campaigns was ready for release.

I never thought the tanks were lacking much in the resolution department,to Me they're already well above Combat Mission Standards for tank graphics.Hell,even a single simple campaign for the already existing in game maps would be more preferable as a for sale micro-DLC.

I think the main gripe though is I think We all expected to see something a little more substantial first for the new GT series before We started seeing the mini mods.The release of Krasnaya Polyana was the last time My troops stepped foot on new territory and that was about 6 months ago and the Imperialistic predator in Me cries out for new lands to conquer.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on February 25, 2013, 03:59:14 AM
Was hoping for a bone with a little more meat on it to keep Me satisfied till the Mius Front project or whatever it is Graviteam plans on releasing next that involes a new map and campaigns was ready for release.

I never thought the tanks were lacking much in the resolution department,to Me they're already well above Combat Mission Standards for tank graphics.Hell,even a single simple campaign for the already existing in game maps would be more preferable as a for sale micro-DLC.

I think the main gripe though is I think We all expected to see something a little more substantial first for the new GT series before We started seeing the mini mods.The release of Krasnaya Polyana was the last time My troops stepped foot on new territory and that was about 6 months ago and the Imperialistic predator in Me cries out for new lands to conquer.

No I hear you.  :D  I am dying for more for my APOS GT whatever fix.  :D  YEs the tanks and vehicles look good.  But can look even better within engine.  That I think is the point.  And to generate a little income for funding.  I get the impression that Graviteams coffers are low right now.  They have been working on 2 titles as far as I know and no not have man power to do anything else.  Untill they are ready to be published I have the feeling they are looking at other ways to pay the bills.  OR perhaps they have some publisher that asked for mini DLC's?  Or both?  Who knows. 

I think adding in a new paint scheme would really help this however.  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Void on February 25, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Looking good! Thanks


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Squadman45 on February 25, 2013, 08:41:33 PM
I think that i pass, i dont need high res skins... if it be a pack of camos and improved infantry models for an adecuate price and even this is something to think 2 times before buy.

Good luck with DLC you are going need it when players wait Mius, Nomomhan and DLCs that add valuable content  ::)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Schuck on February 25, 2013, 09:09:52 PM
Here's an idea,
If its only graphics mods,
How about the high res vehicles, some SS uniforms (high res Nightpostman skins?), and alternate vehicle camo schemes for now?
Im with Dane49, I'd pay for, as you say "a little more meat"

What ever happened to the German Sokolovo mission by the way? Love that map!!
(Wasnt there one in APK43?, it's so long ago!)

And just a thought, what spec of graphics card will we need to handle all this High Res stuff?
Am i going to have to sell another kidney on e-bay to pay for it? :'(


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: chashka17 on February 25, 2013, 10:02:43 PM
I like the idea of higher res textures. 
Am I correct in thinking the textures will be used by all DLC & updated for/in future DLC if any?

I would of course like more units & camo versions, maps & operations etc but I am a sucker for eye candy.  :P

Anything on release dates & final name for this? 'New DLC' doesn't quite work as a search term  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tanker on February 26, 2013, 03:52:02 AM
We want Hi Res flying turrets Andrey.  Nothing less will do.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Wörghern on February 26, 2013, 05:33:43 AM
Where to find the March13 update ?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on February 26, 2013, 05:53:59 AM
March 13 Update for OBT-Open Beta Test
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/k43t_apos_patch_march13_b4_eng.gt2extension

5.81 core update with new installer (optional)
http://www.steelfury.com/demo/k43t/eng/gtos_cu_581_eng.exe


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Wörghern on February 26, 2013, 06:55:14 AM
I just find it here:


http://graviteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=10925.msg29934#msg29934


But thanks Dane ;)





Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: chashka17 on March 01, 2013, 05:26:51 PM
Demo & DLC out http://www.graviteam.ua/tactics/gtos-hrt.html (http://www.graviteam.ua/tactics/gtos-hrt.html)   8)
It says March2013 patch req'd.  Can this be the beta or is the final out/due?  (It's not on the graviteam page yet.)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 01, 2013, 05:51:02 PM
http://www.gamersgate.com/DLC-APOSGTHRTP1/graviteam-tactics-operation-star-dlc-high-resolution-textures-pack-1

It's at Gamersgate for USD $7.00

I'm going to pass on this one,the changes aren't significant enough to warrant the purchase.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 01, 2013, 06:39:42 PM
£7 in the UK!! No go for me. Maybe if it drops below £2 in a sale sometime.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 01, 2013, 07:21:53 PM
£7 in the UK!! No go for me. Maybe if it drops below £2 in a sale sometime.

7 pounds....eek. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 01, 2013, 08:55:08 PM
The graphics for the tanks already look good,well above the graphics for vehicles in Combat Mission.If the tanks had looked like the ones in Combat Mission and Graviteam offererd this Hi res DLC,I would have bought it immediately.But as it stands I really can't see much of a change difference unless I zoom in very close.

Besides that I'm more in to the soldier graphics.I think the German helmets and heads could use more work like what Night Postman did with them and also think the boots and weapons could use a more wear and tear look(weapons look brand new and are too shiney like they were just unpacked and the grease is still on them).
The SS jackets for winter and Summer don't look right either.

I would gladly pay for a new uniform Hi res mod/DLC that added different seasonal camo schemes or a Vehicle  Hi res. mod/DLC that offered different seasonal camo schemes also.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Schuck on March 01, 2013, 09:23:50 PM
Just not enough in it for me either.
As most people here seem to be saying, it needed just abit more content for your cash!

Would it be possible to "swap" the APK43 German Sokolovo mission over to APOS, sorry GTOS and incorparate the HiRes pack into that?
I mean the DLC has already been done, right?
The map and units are already available in GTOS, and the mission write up in APK43. How much more would it take, i dont know?

If youre after a fund raiser, id buy that!


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 02, 2013, 02:32:29 PM
Andrey,

If you've sold alot then it doesn't matter..however if you haven't I really think £7 is asking too much and if you lowered the price I'm sure it would start to sell. I have a feeling others here will agree with me. the graphics are that good anyway the difference isn't enough to warrant the price tag.

The free patches offer far more gameplay wise than this DLC. I suppose as a goodwill gesture for the free patches we should pay out. So when I get some spare money i will buy it..but not for the Hi res textures more because of the excellent patches.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 02, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
No, I'm asking you - please no good will gestures!  ::)
We are planning a variety of special DLCs that everyone can choose what you need.
Do not buy what you do not need!


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 02, 2013, 10:36:57 PM
OK Andrey I will hold off..as I said you do deserve some money for the superb patches you bring out. I will wait for another DLC.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 02, 2013, 11:14:58 PM
So what kind of variety for these "Special DLCs" are being planned.

Details,please.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Txema on March 02, 2013, 11:40:20 PM
Andrey,

The March patch is necessary for the new DLC...

When are you going to release the official final March patch ?


Txema

P.S. Too late for me... My good will gesture has already been done :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flanker15 on March 03, 2013, 11:28:37 AM
Flying turrets DLC? Better explosions DLC?  I'd hit it (with money).


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Xambrium on March 03, 2013, 08:12:05 PM
i want a "direct vehicle control" dlc  :o ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 03, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
So what kind of variety for these "Special DLCs" are being planned.

Details,please.

I will not promise in advance, and it's a bad omen  ;D. As will be tested and ready - just say.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 03, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
"Flying turrets DLC? Better explosions DLC?  I'd hit it (with money)."
"i want a "direct vehicle control" dlc   "

Please do not be fantasy - different DLCs does not mean just do absolutely strange things  ;D

Additional features, like I said before, we distributed and likely will distribute through _free patches_. In the DLCs will only be _content_.

DVC or FT or even BE (Better Explosions - it was already in the previous patch), if we hypothetically  ;D assume that they appeared - will be in patch.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 03, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
So that's the reason for all  the secrecy and lack of info on new projects "Superstition".
 ;D

OK,I guess I'll wait for the Gala unveiling event once the projects are completed and ready then.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 03, 2013, 09:22:23 PM
Small announce for next DLC  ;D

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3744655/Re_GTOS_APOS_New_DLC#Post3744655
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3744658/Re_GTOS_APOS_New_DLC#Post3744658


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 03, 2013, 10:28:56 PM
Wow!
Those screen shots for the new DLC look very realistic.Whoever did the art work modeling on them and the maps is very good!I guess I should buy the new Hi-res DLC so I can get that kind of clarity and definition on my PC,though I think my PC isn't up to the kind of specs needed for that kind of clarity.

So I take it the new DLC will be called Graviteam Tactics Wild Kingdom-GTWK ;D

Esoteric Russian humor Gotta Love It!


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 03, 2013, 11:41:15 PM
I want my stupid halftrack driving wombat DLC.  With realistic flying squirel as gunner.  And powered by mice.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 03, 2013, 11:55:34 PM
I was hoping more for a zombie space nazis from the moon DLC with the nazis invading some post apopalyctic small town USA area populated by mutant blood swilling redneck vampires who have to defend their little town with shotguns and some tractors and pick up trucks that have MGs mounted on them against jet pack flying space zombie nazis armed with ray guns and plasma torpedoes.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 04, 2013, 06:45:13 AM
I think Flashburn wants to see Moose and Squirel vs. Boris and Natascha Badanov DLC.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 07:43:59 AM
Here you laugh, but quite in vain  ::). Here is the actual units from the new DLC, only stretched skins are others. I specifically picked the "right" animals.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 04, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
so YOUR saying a DLC for GTOS with Lions running around in the snow eating Germans?  Far Cry 3 much?  Or the 1st and best Hitman?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 08:09:48 AM
so YOUR saying a DLC for GTOS with Lions running around in the snow eating Germans?  Far Cry 3 much?  Or the 1st and best Hitman?

Of course not. If you look at my pictures and descriptions carefully, the lion in the actions themselves are not involved, it is only one of the causes of the conflict. Especially since there are no Germans and snow  ;D

I repeat - it is absolutely fair description of the operation in the next DLC, but instead of some models - different but similar names.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 04, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Awesome Andrey!,

Those high-res elephant skins look incredibly lifelike!. A few quick questions if I may, is the reflection in the eyes dependent on their angle relative to the light source modelled as in real life?.

and do we get proper air-support?

  (http://ibc.lynxeds.com/files/pictures/african_hawk_eagle.jpg) 

and what about spotters? (summer camouflage)

  (http://www.haku.co.uk/b3ta/GiraffePiggyback.jpg) 

and gorilla warfare?

  (http://www.timeforkids.com/files/100375761.jpg) 

any improvement in the fatigue modelling?

  (http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2010/337/2/b/tired_lion_by_pingallery-d344y3y.jpg) 

and are amphibious troops included?

  (http://www.animalpictures123.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Group-Of-Crocodiles.jpg) 

I know it's a lot to ask

:D

Kind regards

Aces


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 11:20:20 AM
No - its unrealistic pictures. All of these types of units that listen are not used in the theater of war in this DLC, with the exception of crocodiles.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 04, 2013, 11:23:12 AM
Thanks for answering Andrey, really looking forward to the crocs!, should add some "bite" to the new DLC :D

Cheers

Aces


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 04, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
Very cryptic :)

Marder , honey badgers are part of the Marder family (Marders vs lion)
Elefant tank destroyer
Crocodile flamethrowing tank

Marshal Georgy Zhukov a "lion of defence"

Operation buffalo (that was a water buffalo I think) - the Rzhev salient ?. a bit too early for elefants I would have thought but there were elefants in the Dnieper battles.

Regards

Aces

Edit, actually they're a black wildebeests


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 04, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
(http://www.blitzkriegminiatures.com/images/german%20tanks/lowe9.jpg)

I saw the picture of the Lioness and thought maybe you were refering to the Lowe but I thought that can't be right because the Lowe never left the drawing board and was dropped in favor of the Maus(Mouse)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 02:41:58 PM
Oh now, its not a WoT  ;D. Hardly to tanks can go to war on their own.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 04, 2013, 02:42:16 PM
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2834/bison2.jpg)

And I think the Water Buffalo was in reference to the Bison.

Didn't see a Panther or a Lynx in any of those screenshots either :(

When I saw the animal screenshots I thought you were alluding to the animal names of different WW2 tanks,but some of them didn't make sense to me and I had no idea what some of those other animals were called.

The Bison and the Elephant were the only ones I coyld figure out.

What do you get when you cross an Elephant with a Rhino?


Answer:Elephino


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
I have already suggested - no Germans and no snow.  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 04, 2013, 04:34:13 PM
Is it WW2? Or Russo Japanese War?



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 06:04:56 PM
Is it WW2? Or Russo Japanese War?

Not so simple  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: admin on March 04, 2013, 06:08:33 PM
I have already suggested - no Germans and no snow.  ;D
(http://img15.nnm.ru/d/7/5/6/1/3325b1269f5b3a0f0b2d58494f1.jpg)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: chashka17 on March 04, 2013, 06:17:20 PM
If the Crocodile AFV is included, some of those units ended up in Korea....
Some of these names, if applied to vehicles such as Buffalo could also be AFVs for the Western front or Pacific WW2 theatres.  But no Germans takes the Germans & West Front out of the equation I think.

And of course the animal names could be the code-names of various Ops so that would fit the req's to be DLC. 




Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 04, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
I thought Anzio for a while, ferdinands, grizzly bears (brummbars), but no Germans rules operation buffalo out


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 04, 2013, 06:57:01 PM
Has Italy meet simultaneously badgers, buffalo, pigs and elephants? But may be in Romanian vs Carthage era  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 04, 2013, 10:10:56 PM
Romans vs Carthage area suggests Tunisia in North Africa.

Italians were in Tunisia and fought some battles against the British and Americans without German support.

You lost me with the Badgers,Pigs and Elephants though.I don't have a clue about those in reference to any battles fought in Africa during WW2.

Buffaloes/Alligators were American made landing tracked vehicles(LTVs).I think some saw service in North Africa before being sent to the Pacific to be used against the Japanese in 1943.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 04, 2013, 11:58:40 PM
But he said NOT africa  too.........  SO wtf is it? 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Kyth on March 05, 2013, 01:55:05 AM

But he said NOT africa  too.........  SO wtf is it? 

On the contrary, I guess it is set in Africa. I get the Oliphants and Ratels, but what's with the Warthogs and Wildebeest? Is that what the Cubans called themselves?  ???


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on March 05, 2013, 02:43:36 AM
I think Africa too...


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 02:54:16 AM
Italian East Africa most likely the Ethiopian- Eritrean war.

 :(,I was hoping if this game was going to push into some modern setting we would see some combatants to play as that I actually like.

African Territorial Brush Wars,sounds fun for an afternoon but can't say it holds much of a long lasting interest for me.

Warthog is the name of the A-10 close air support jet.Though I don't think any saw combat before the 1st Gulf war and I don't think any were sold to any 3rd world African nation either.

Buffalo or Buffel is a South African made APC,Crocadille sounds like a Zambian APC. Badger or Ratel was also a South Afrikan made IFV.

Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980's would have been a nice start for a modern version of this game.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 03:48:43 AM
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4123/4953760702_f8bab6b5a8_z.jpg)

Crocodile APC-seems Rhodesia had quite a few


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 03:53:44 AM
(http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/chris_baxter/buffel/images/buffel_16_of_40.jpg)

South African Buffel or Buffalo-This looks like a agriculture vehicle converted to a IFV.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 03:57:41 AM
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/images/ratel-image12.jpg)

The South African Ratel or Badger-Kind of looks like a Soviet BMP.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/ratel_images.htm


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 05, 2013, 08:02:59 AM
Soviets are in it I reckon..otherwise he'd have said no Russian..so I'm going Soviet Afgan War.

Was going to say Winter War but he said no snow..damn.


he did say it was DLC and not a new game..so I doubt actually it's going to be a modern war as that would be a new game surely.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 05, 2013, 08:16:23 AM
clearly its the battle of waterloo..............   :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 10:51:37 AM
I see a couple of days began to appear almost right answers  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 10:53:34 AM
Crocadille is a crocadille - effective tool to deal with saboteurs.

Or another variant Mi-24 "Crocadille"
http://img13.imageshost.ru/img/2013/03/03/image_5133201a1b175.jpg


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 05, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
Soviet Afghan War then I reckon.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 05, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
The South African Defense Force, Angola maybe?

As the SADF uses the Olifant Mk 1A tank as well as the honey badger and buffalo AFVs.

or maybe the Zimbabwe War of Liberation with SA vs Zimbabwean insurgents, I think this is my favourite because they also had the "pig" AFV as well as the crocodile.

Regards

Aces


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: orson on March 05, 2013, 06:54:13 PM
http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/chris_baxter/buffel/images/buffel_16_of_40.jpg

South African Buffel or Buffalo-This looks like a agriculture vehicle converted to a IFV.

Early MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected)

It was actually designed from the ground up as such


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 05, 2013, 07:36:50 PM
The game will have Russians in it..unlikely Graviteam will make a game with no Russians..I really don't think it will be in Africa or South Africa.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 07:42:46 PM
The game will have Russians in it..unlikely Graviteam will make a game with no Russians..I really don't think it will be in Africa or South Africa.

If approached formally, we are not Russians we are Ukrainians.
But in any case, nothing can stop us to make a DLC where there will not be Russians.
But in this case Russians Soviets will be - in my pictures the lion symbolizes his presence.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 08:03:18 PM
I always thought the Bear symbolizes the Soviets and the Lion- Great Britian,and the United States has the bald eagle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_emblem


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 05, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
The game will have Russians in it..unlikely Graviteam will make a game with no Russians..I really don't think it will be in Africa or South Africa.

Fine its Nomagahan insident......    Small vicious critter attacks what it think is easy snack.......then gets counter attacked in massive force.  


And soviets where only attacked by German (and allies) Japan.  No one else ever did.  Unless the 20's count with the white Russians and foreign help. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
I always thought the Bear symbolizes the Soviets
Bear is Russian Empire, may be early USSR before WWII.

and the Lion- Great Britian,
In 19 century or early 20 :)
In mid 20+ century GB is sea lion, not lion itself, sorry.

and the United States has the bald eagle.
Here agree, but in my pictures are no birds :)

P.S. I understand that "animal" stereotypes are strong, but we must look essentially as it was.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
http://downloads.sturmpanzer.net/WWM...ombat_1939.pdf

Flashburn here is a link to the Leaveworth Papers combat study on the Nomanhan battle if you don't already have it.

The leavenworth papers are very  good combat case studies and I just started reading the Naktong battles in Korea 1950 which is very good and think would also make a decent future DLC for this game.Lots of detail in those studies.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
Some history maps

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6108/997519.10c/0_69412_92d7d6a1_XL.jpeg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6109/997519.10c/0_69422_c876fc38_XL.jpeg

Look closely at England :)
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6208/997519.10c/0_69423_726f9de6_XXXL.jpeg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6107/997519.10c/0_69429_ce97642_XXXL.jpeg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6106/997519.10c/0_69425_4295a61e_XXXL.jpeg


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
Quote
and the Lion- Great Britian,
In 19 century or early 20
In mid 20+ century GB is sea lion, not lion itself, sorry.

I always thought of Great Britian more as the Bulldog than the Lion myself.

As far as Russia being the Lion that's fine with me I thought they they prefered the Bear.I see that symbol on some of their tanks in photos.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
I always thought of Great Britian more as the Bulldog than the Lion myself.
I agree, it's a good analogy.

As far as Russia being the Lion that's fine with me I thought they they prefered the Bear.I see that symbol on some of their tanks in photos.
It is still the Russian Empire. Now it is rather comical analogy :).


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote
And soviets where only attacked by German (and allies) Japan.  No one else ever did.  Unless the 20's count with the white Russians and foreign help. 

Yep Flashburn,

The Americans sent an expeditionary unit to Russia after WW1 called the Polar Bear Division.It was made up mainly of men from Michigan mostly the Detroit area where I grew up.

I remember as a boy that the veterans of that division would have a parade that started from the memorial for them near the river and they would march down to the river and strip down to their bathing suits and wade into the river.November 11th in Detroit is usually very cold so I'm sure it was very uncomfortable for them,but probably no where near as uncomfortable as actually serving in Russia.

http://pbma.grobbel.org/ 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: orson on March 05, 2013, 09:41:43 PM
(http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/11/BearCavalry-380x262.png)

Ура !


*my vote for DLC


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 05, 2013, 10:02:20 PM
No snow

some pictures:
Recruits
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=165738&d=1362498427
Targeting from commanders
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=165737&d=1362498427
Alone gunner
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=165736&d=1362498426


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 05, 2013, 10:15:25 PM
They look like very low morale soldiers.My old military unit could probably route them with a few pyrotechnics and blank training amunition. ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 05, 2013, 10:33:07 PM
Those be war bears. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 05:18:05 AM
Question?

Andrey you stated once that the new DLCs would be compatable with the old DLCs from APOS.

Does that mean if I buy the new modern Africa DLC that I could potentially use the German and Russian Summer forces from APOS on the new Africa map for Quick Battles?

Hey 500th post and I'm a forum Colonel now!GET DOWN and GIVE ME 50, UNDERLINGS ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 06, 2013, 07:21:15 AM
SO are we talking Russian Revolution then?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 07:24:46 AM
I thought we were talking SABOW comes to Graviteam Tactics,but not as a tank simulator.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 06, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
Andrey has said Russians are involved..so it's either Russian Revolution or the already announced  Nomagahan.

The Africa thing has been a red herring.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 07:35:27 AM
Then why does He keep showing pictures of animals in Africa and black soldiers?

I'm under the impression the Russians He is refering to,are either advisors and/or Helicopter or Air Craft crewmen.
I think He aslo mentioned the Mi-24 Hind attack helicopter was also refered to as the Crocodile.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 06, 2013, 08:16:46 AM
Angola

Thus the SADF involvement in 1987 on the side of UNITA.

Could it be Operations Modular, Hooper and Packer?.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 06, 2013, 11:54:47 AM
Angola

Thus the SADF involvement in 1987 on the side of UNITA.

Could it be Operations Modular, Hooper and Packer?.

Operation hooper..........or part of it was done in SABOW.  Bringing in that into GT series is great.  MAny where hoping this would happen way back when.  But I guess we will see............... 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 06, 2013, 01:33:16 PM
It will be interesting if Graviteam confirms a modern era DLC. Personally I probably won't buy it as post WW2 conflicts and weaponry isn't of much interest but good luck to them, as I say, an interesting development for many.

Kind regards

Aces


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 03:28:06 PM
I'm of the mind that all the hints point to Angolan civil war DLC.

Though the mention of Italians led me to believe Italian East Africa and the Ethopian-Eritrean war, and Rome vs Carthage was highly misleading the Punic wars were mostly a Mediterranean  affair ending with the destruction of Carthage which is a modern day suburb of Tunis in Tunisia.

Flashburn is working on a Tunisia project for the battle of Longstop Hill December 1942.But,from what He has posted on this and other forums is that He still has quite a ways to go before the light at the end of the tunnel starts to come into view.

His Tunisia project so far is the one I look forward to the most and I see a lot of future long term potential from it once He completes it.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 06, 2013, 03:55:33 PM
If he is trying to be cryptic..then surely he wouldn't post pics of African soldiers if it was going to be based in Africa? I'm looking more at his headings than the actual pic itself. I mean why say it's not in Africa then post African pics..Also look at some of the maps he posted..very old..I think we've all jumped the gun here thinking this is some new previously unannounced DLC but I reckon it's Nomagahan.

You say why would he post African soldiers..then why would he post African animals if it's the picture that actually means something..I think it's the headings to the pics that mean something.



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 06, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
Well we have pictures of animal such as the Honey Badger (SADF AFV) and heavy support from Elephants or )SADF Olifant tanks). Hind (crocodile) gunships fought in Angola, there were Russian (the lion) and Cuban advisors and Cuban troops. The pictures he posted of African soldiers were belonging to UNITA. The SADF also has Casspir (Buffalo AFVs) and he posted a pic of Wildbeest.

I think he started of being very cryptic and got less so by providing a few more obvious clues.

Regards

Aces


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 04:09:59 PM
Those old maps were in reference to a question I had about national animal symbols.Andrey stated that the Lion represented Russia and I thought the Lion was what Britian had as a national symbol with the Bear representing Russia.

Andrey posted those old maps to show me that the Bear for Russia was only for the old Russian empire not Modern Russia and the Lion now is the new national animal symbol for Russia.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
Quote
I think he started of being very cryptic and got less so by providing a few more obvious clues.

Then again you could always look at this from another perspective.And that is He is purposely misleading us thru deception and will release something else that has nothing to do with the pictures he posted.

I wouldn't put it past a Russian or a Ukrainian for that matter to do something like that.

Russian Operations during WW2 usually started out with elaborate deception schemes before launching the main assault.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 06, 2013, 04:56:18 PM
Still think it's   Nomagahan and everyone jumped the gun thinking it was something not previously announced. I think this has happened previously here.

Andrey you could at least give us the decade the War was fought in?

Here is the issue\worry I have if it is some African bush war..it just isn't going to bring in money that Graviteam need to continue developing. I think if you've got a game that has been a huge success and you've covered all major conflicts yes do some minor ones aswell...but surely if it is some minor war your going to have the same issue as with SABOW (not sure how well it did but I bet nowhere near as well as APOS unless it sold loads in Russia\Ukraine) people just wont buy it even if the game plays well.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 06, 2013, 05:40:49 PM
The SADF also use the "Bosvark" or wild-pig anti aircraft gun.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 06:13:54 PM
I don't have a problem introducing modern vehicles into the GT series with Africa to start with,just so long as it doesn't stay in Africa and expands into more high intensity modern conflict regions.

I know the whole Arab-Israeli conflict seems to be a Taboo topic for fear of turning the forums into a highly emotionally charged flame war and scare away potential customers,distributors and publishers.

But,with a few extra un-named maps that look like anywhere or no where and few different national forces DLCs
such as a Russia forces pack, USA forces pack,Rebel-insurgent forces pack or even a Chinese pack etc...

Then you would potentially be able to fight any battles you like anywhere in the world,without actually attaching a conflict name that may or may not sit too well with customers or publishers.A simple campaign editor like the Quick battle editor would also go along way in making this a more desirable project or game.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 06, 2013, 06:54:56 PM
Andrey you stated once that the new DLCs would be compatable with the old DLCs from APOS.
DLCs independent one from another

Does that mean if I buy the new modern Africa DLC that I could potentially use the German and Russian Summer forces from APOS on the new Africa map for Quick Battles?
Yes of course they are independent of each other, as the winter from summer.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 06, 2013, 06:59:11 PM
Modern Russia and the Lion now is the new national animal symbol for Russia.

Not exactly. In my opinion a lion very suitable to the Soviet Union in 70-80s in XX century. Modern Russia at the lion does not pull at all.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 06, 2013, 07:01:00 PM
I think He aslo mentioned the Mi-24 Hind attack helicopter was also refered to as the Crocodile.

Hind is a NATO nickname, not native name.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 06, 2013, 07:23:03 PM
Modern Russia and the Lion now is the new national animal symbol for Russia.

Not exactly. In my opinion a lion very suitable to the Soviet Union in 70-80s in XX century. Modern Russia at the lion does not pull at all.

Soviet Afgan War then...


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 06, 2013, 07:27:54 PM
or Angola 1987/88 :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 06, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
 ??? we already have both of these in SABOW...


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 06, 2013, 08:31:35 PM
Yup, but not in GTOS :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 06, 2013, 08:39:59 PM
Soviet Afgan War then...
Not so simple  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 06, 2013, 08:43:29 PM
??? we already have both of these in SABOW...

Yes, it is technically the same thing in general level FAPLA vs UNITA in winter 1988. But has very few common aspects with what there in SABOW.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 06, 2013, 09:05:28 PM
Hmmm..so this is a quick asset transfer from one game to another then?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 09:35:13 PM
Quote
Modern Russia and the Lion now is the new national animal symbol for Russia.


Not exactly. In my opinion a lion very suitable to the Soviet Union in 70-80s in XX century. Modern Russia at the lion does not pull at all.

What would be animal National symbol for modern Russia?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 06, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
Andrey you stated once that the new DLCs would be compatable with the old DLCs from APOS.
DLCs independent one from another

Does that mean if I buy the new modern Africa DLC that I could potentially use the German and Russian Summer forces from APOS on the new Africa map for Quick Battles?
Yes of course they are independent of each other, as the winter from summer.


I still don't understand.

Lets say for example:I buy the new DLC about modern Africa.

Would it be a stand alone DLC with a new icon for my desktop?
or
Will I use the Updater from GTOS and add it to that game?

If it is an addon DLC to GTOS will I be able to choose the Africa map in a Quick battle and be able to put Germans VS Russians on the Africa map?

The reason I ask this is because I like the option of having the Germans vs Russians on new maps.

I would buy this DLC just for the map if I could use it with other than modern 3rd world African forces.



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 07, 2013, 04:49:42 AM
Sometimes I think I am the only one that does not give a crap about what conflict it is so long as it is historical based.  So now what is this hinted at bad luck DLC? 



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Kyth on March 07, 2013, 05:34:19 AM
Quote
Modern Russia and the Lion now is the new national animal symbol for Russia.


Not exactly. In my opinion a lion very suitable to the Soviet Union in 70-80s in XX century. Modern Russia at the lion does not pull at all.

What would be animal National symbol for modern Russia?

I believe the official animal (bird) for the Russian Federation is the eagle - to be precise, the double-headed variety.
(I have no photodocumentation for this species in wild or natural settings).

Anyway as a layman I've always regarded their national animal symbol as a bear, regardless of the century I'm in. :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 07, 2013, 07:23:04 AM
What would be animal National symbol for modern Russia?

Bear again, like Russian Empire  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 07, 2013, 07:27:11 AM
Lets say for example:I buy the new DLC about modern Africa.

Would it be a stand alone DLC with a new icon for my desktop?
or
Will I use the Updater from GTOS and add it to that game?

This DLC installed Like any other DLCs - in game updater, like patch or DLC - over March 13 patch.

If it is an addon DLC to GTOS will I be able to choose the Africa map in a Quick battle and be able to put Germans VS Russians on the Africa map?
Yes of course you can select Africa map in QB like maps in other DLCs.
And may make battle as German vs Angolan army.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 07, 2013, 08:01:27 AM
Lets say for example:I buy the new DLC about modern Africa.

Would it be a stand alone DLC with a new icon for my desktop?
or
Will I use the Updater from GTOS and add it to that game?

This DLC installed Like any other DLCs - in game updater, like patch or DLC - over March 13 patch.

If it is an addon DLC to GTOS will I be able to choose the Africa map in a Quick battle and be able to put Germans VS Russians on the Africa map?
Yes of course you can select Africa map in QB like maps in other DLCs.
And may make battle as German vs Angolan army.


 8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 07, 2013, 08:06:15 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=165787&d=1362598434)

What map is this?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 07, 2013, 08:29:59 AM
Where did you find that?  Nothing in shipped SABOW.................

But it makes me want to play angola cmpaign again.  Speaking of which for some strange reason I have started collecting info on interiors of M3 LEE and m3a1 stuart tanks........  Not a conscious sort of choice.  Just started happening.   :-\  LOL.  Hmmm so perhaps DLC for APOS/GTOS/GT whatever............  How do I get polygon into SABOW  LOL>   :P :P :P :P  Makes me want to pick up again on oliphant and IDF shot tanks.  Also oddly enough I was researching/..............  This is a wierd day.  Sometimes the tinfoil hat does not keep out the waves.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 07, 2013, 08:34:34 AM
Andrey posted it on the Sukhoi forum along with a picture of a German soldier carrying a radio.

I think this is the Mius River map,but wanted Andrey to confirm it.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 07, 2013, 08:41:40 AM
IT LOOKs like Angola polygon................  But nothing I have seen.  The btr or bmp can not tell...swimming the river is interesting.  I think btr.............
Damnit I SHOULD have made that btr152 I kept putting off.   LOL


JUST FREAKEN GREAT.................  More things to tempt me go go do.... Thanks graviteam.....UGH   :P

Well carp.............maybe Andrey is just stirring the pot.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Aces on March 07, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
Nice to see the soldier with the radio on Sukhoi forum , similar to my model for Steel Fury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODxyxLuPdlQ&feature=share&list=PL112B4864C79F5DDE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODxyxLuPdlQ&feature=share&list=PL112B4864C79F5DDE)

Regards

Aces


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Xambrium on March 07, 2013, 08:19:56 PM
i have another great idea for an DLC, "White Tiger and the Tank Whisperer"- Storyline DLC! I watched the russian movie..lots of historical stuff inside..and a God of Tanks!  :o (....and flying turrets..  ;D )

german trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHhDdLrKbgE


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on March 07, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Maybe we should get a PMP bridge to go with the river crossing. ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 07, 2013, 09:48:04 PM
In that picture it doesn't look like they need a bridge :D

Besides,bridges seem to be real hassle in this game to maneuver around.If a map has one I generally avoid it and stick to the fords.

Flashburn seems convinced that is an Angolan map and those are amphibious BTRs.
I'm not so sure that it is Africa and the map might be South Russia and the river is just very shallow.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 07, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
certainly a BTR-60/70. I can't make out the flat-topped vehicle though. Maybe a BTR-50 or a PT-76? Probably a T-38 with my luck :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 07, 2013, 11:18:57 PM
certainly a BTR-60/70. I can't make out the flat-topped vehicle though. Maybe a BTR-50 or a PT-76? Probably a T-38 with my luck :P

certainly same assets as sabow......  There where a few things late to the party that did not make it in.  Like mysterious zsu23-4 .......track links in config file.  Then again so where the t64's  LOL


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 08, 2013, 12:11:24 AM
My final guess is an MTLB. No clue what else it could be :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 08, 2013, 01:01:38 AM
I'm still not sure that is a African map.

As I stated earlier,Andrey posted this map along with a German soldier carrying a radio directly below this screenshot on the Sukhoi forum.

So I'm under the impression this is a Summer 43 map in Russia somewhere,and my guess is it's the Mius front map.

Regardless,the map looks cool and I will purchase the DLC for the map alone even if it had no other content.

I've always liked maps,especially the ones that Graviteam makes.So this is already on my buy list as soon as it is released.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 08, 2013, 01:13:26 AM
I'm still not sure that is a African map.

As I stated earlier,Andrey posted this map along with a German soldier carrying a radio directly below this screenshot on the Sukhoi forum.


I suppose you might be correct. They have posted screenshots of modern Russian vehicles in battle with the Germans before..


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 02:06:32 AM
Trees on hill line look they the africian sort.  Material/txture set is same as ANGOLA. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 08:40:17 PM
screens posted on sukhoi.............DLC is operation Hooper.  :D  Looks to be going into beta soon. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 08, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Those screen shots on the Sukhoi forum look real cool.  8)

 I'm in.

Looking forward to playing the new toys,think they'd look good on the Volokonovka map too.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 09:19:10 PM
Those screen shots on the Sukhoi forum look real cool.  8)

 I'm in.

Looking forward to playing the new toys,think they'd look good on the Volokonovka map too.

I think its a great way to start the GT series.  We have what it started with........EAST front WW2.  But is evolving into other areas.  Opertaion Hooper and ANGOLA area are vary interesting subjects IMO.  NOW I REALLY with I had made my btr152's.  Or the panard armored car instead of the sally........... :-\  AH welll.  I got me hands full.  Maybe if Gravi has not tackled I can do a BTR152?  HMMM  It would gap between ww2 halftracks and modern apc/ifv.   ;)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 09:26:44 PM
OOOOOH this means the sexy mig23 and mi24 will be making a come back.  and maps is listed as 120 km.  I am thinking they built on top of old sabow map.....but guessing. 

PLEASE TELL ME T34-85 will make appearance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Ok if not I am going to make FOR SURE when i have time.   :P  AUCK........GRAVI 3rd party dlc system please!  For a buck or two........oooooooooooo  ok way OFF SUBJECT.   :-\


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 08, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
I've been wanting SABOW to go tactical ever since I saw the video of the SABOW toys on the Summer Rakitnoe map.
I even lobbied for it on the SABOW forum.

Now all we need are some more Summer maps and some semi-modern Russian,USA,Insurgent rebel and NATO forces mini-mod DLCs and it will become a very interesting series.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 08, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
Angola is interesting to you..but I very much doubt interesting enough to one bring new players in and to be honest current players buying into it. I certainly have no interest whatsoever. Will buy the East front titles..I'd buy Nato vs Warsaw pact fictional game aswell...in a flash. But Bush Wars...no thanks. Again my concern is if they are expecting alot of sales with this or are desperate for the money they are choosing the wrong war.


Those screen shots on the Sukhoi forum look real cool.  8)

 I'm in.

Looking forward to playing the new toys,think they'd look good on the Volokonovka map too.

I think its a great way to start the GT series.  We have what it started with........EAST front WW2.  But is evolving into other areas.  Opertaion Hooper and ANGOLA area are vary interesting subjects IMO.  NOW I REALLY with I had made my btr152's.  Or the panard armored car instead of the sally........... :-\  AH welll.  I got me hands full.  Maybe if Gravi has not tackled I can do a BTR152?  HMMM  It would gap between ww2 halftracks and modern apc/ifv.   ;)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 09:44:21 PM
I am not going to lie.......  While this has me pretty excited.....it does concern my longstop project.  I hope it does not get wahed way in the awesomeness.   ???  MUES......HOOPER.....whatever else......   :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 08, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=79097

This is the link for the Operation Hooper Angola 1988 DLC.For anyone interested in looking at some screenshots for the game.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
Woden..........I think your wrong on that.   ;D  But I do think easten front is the BIG cheese product. 

While you want a fictional nato warsaw.......deal.  You do not want a real east west proxy war?  Cuba, Angola fighting South africia......with a hell of alot of same toys.  I am not knocking you at all.  But seems odd.   ;D


BTW..........cuba did pretty darn well bleeding the nose of South Africia.........at times. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 08, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
I am not going to lie.......  While this has me pretty excited.....it does concern my longstop project.  I hope it does not get wahed way in the awesomeness.   ???  MUES......HOOPER.....whatever else......   :D

I'm very interested in the Tunisia project,and the map of Tunisia would look cool also with some modern tanks and soldiers running around on it.Plus your project has American,Brits and Afrika Korps forces in it.What's not to like about that.

I think your Tunisia project would be a very welcome much needed addition to the GT line up.And I think there is room for all of them in this series of DLCs.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 08, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
I am not going to lie.......  While this has me pretty excited.....it does concern my longstop project.  I hope it does not get wahed way in the awesomeness.   ???  MUES......HOOPER.....whatever else......   :D

I'm very interested in the Tunisia project,and the map of Tunisia would look cool also with some modern tanks and soldiers running around on it.Plus your project has American,Brits and Afrika Korps forces in it.What's not to like about that.

I think your Tunisia project would be a very welcome much needed addition to the GT line up.And I think there is room for all of them in this series of DLCs.

Oh Dane your just like me on this..........APOS is great who cares about the conflict.......and more is better..... LOL.    Guys with freaken muskets running around I would buy too if it had the APOS touch.....


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 08, 2013, 10:13:07 PM
Quote
Angola is interesting to you..but I very much doubt interesting enough to one bring new players in and to be honest current players buying into it. I certainly have no interest whatsoever. Will buy the East front titles..I'd buy Nato vs Warsaw pact fictional game aswell...in a flash. But Bush Wars...no thanks. Again my concern is if they are expecting alot of sales with this or are desperate for the money they are choosing the wrong war.

I would like to eventually see a fictional NATO vs Warsaw Pact game also.

But for now I think this is a step in the right direction.Wodin what you and I want most likely isn't going to happen the way We would like it to happen,but I think if some Nato and Warsaw pact mini mod DLC forces were offered at a later date with Summer and Winter uniforms you could potentially have a NATO vs Warsaw pact battles on the Winter or Summer maps already in GTOS.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 08, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
I'm fairly sure Andrey has said before that they won't do fictional wars, and I agree with his position. There are far too many forgotten conflicts, and if you're not interested no one is forcing you to buy it. SABOW and APOS/GTOS vehicles are compatible, and should you want to make a mod with the NATO vs. USSR, you're certainly welcome to do it.

Personally, if I ever get this 30 second crash bug figured out with the Africa mod, I'd like to begin work on porting some of the vehicles from SABOW over to APOS. Bundeswehr vs. USSR with M60's and T-55's is a wonderful concept, IMO :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 09, 2013, 12:32:02 AM
Whu.......before you start port O rama I would wait and see what Gravi will do..........  I learned that the HARD way.  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 09, 2013, 12:36:14 AM
They plan on combining the two?  ??? I very much hope they plan on adding a simulator option or atleast patching SABOW up to the same level as GTOS. It's really too bad they didn't make the Tiger/panzer IV playable as it is :(


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on March 09, 2013, 02:55:59 AM
Can't wait for more Cuito Cuanavale fighting. :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 09, 2013, 03:35:14 AM
Can't wait for more Cuito Cuanavale fighting. :)

YA looks like Andrey was up late playing whatever version they are on...........  Fair about of screens on sukhoi.  When all this GT stuff gets released dont expect me to have a life.   :P ;D  But it i going to REALLY make me want to see SIMS again...................


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Kyth on March 09, 2013, 10:23:23 AM

But he said NOT africa  too.........  SO wtf is it? 

On the contrary, I guess it is set in Africa. I get the Oliphants and Ratels, but what's with the Warthogs and Wildebeest? Is that what the Cubans called themselves?  ???

Could anyone enlighten me about the "friendly" Warthogs and Wildebeest?  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on March 09, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
A quick sorry to everyone for being a moaning git recently.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: chashka17 on March 09, 2013, 02:36:30 PM
I like the sound of some Modern Warfare in Africa.  If the screens on the RU site are anything to go by it will be an interesting package that I will want to own.

I am quite happy to see any war modelled on the AP/GT engine, but would also like the hypothetical WWIII scenarios like Fulda Gap. 
e.g. The hypothetical conflict portrayed in WiC done on this engine would be awesome as far as I'm concerned. 

Having seen video for the EE game & then discovered it totally failed to bring the tactical engagement to life (As far as I'm concerned) was a big disappointment for a wargame addict :P

Although there are many fascinating real wars to model, I imagine there would be a (more?) considerable number of buyers for a NATO vs Warsaw Pact game done properly for modern hardware.
WWIII Needs someone to do it right.   ;D



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 09, 2013, 02:41:47 PM
Could anyone enlighten me about the "friendly" Warthogs and Wildebeest?  :D

Black Wildebeests - soldiers from Angolan army
White Warthogs - Cuban soldiers

Details of why they are looking in DLC  ;D



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 11, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
First screens from next DLC
(http://imageshack.us/a/img694/3338/shot201303110000140003.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/4488/shot201303102359320001.jpg)



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 11, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
Holy shit Batman,it looks like the Riddler is at it again! ;D

(http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/12/dec/GT01.png)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 11, 2013, 07:15:17 PM
No. Nomonhan will be a separate game on GT:Mius Front engine, not a DLC for GTOS. And in places near Nomongan no desert, but steppe.  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Shadrach on March 11, 2013, 07:17:58 PM
Such a barren landscape, if not the wind-swept steppes of Mongolia then surely it is the deserts of Iran?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 11, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
Such a barren landscape, if not the wind-swept steppes of Mongolia then surely it is the deserts of Iran?
No


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 11, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
GT: Mius front will be new engine for the game!

Does that mean you will have 2 seperate game engines to expand on,or will GTOS get a few more DLCs then no more.

and then new engine GT:Mius front, and new engine only DLCs afterwards?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 11, 2013, 08:13:24 PM
(http://iine.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Pic-Eritrean-Desert.jpg)

Eritrean Desert?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 11, 2013, 08:17:56 PM
Does that mean you will have 2 seperate game engines to expand on,or will GTOS get a few more DLCs then no more.
No, we will have 1 engine at one time.

and then new engine GT:Mius front, and new engine only DLCs afterwards?
Do not quite understand the question


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 11, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
Your first answer answered my question.Only one engine at one time.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 11, 2013, 09:47:55 PM
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/51904601.jpg)

Ogaden War 1977-8 ?

Ethiopia vs Somalia.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 11, 2013, 10:35:24 PM
Its califonia desert!  OMg lots of arid places. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 11, 2013, 10:38:25 PM
Of course no.
Did you see the mountain on the screenshots?

Especially for this conflict we have no vehicles, soldiers or objects for the landscape.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 11, 2013, 10:39:57 PM
What its NOT california desert?  :P  Southern Tunisia.......   ???  OOOOOOOOOOOlibya ?    Its setting for AGRO WARS?  No I take back southern tunisia.........  NO palm trees to HIGH desert.  mid tunisia......  Or somewhere along North Africa not far from the MED.  Those photos not far off for looks for Kasserine Pass..........just not enough mountains.  Certainy could be modern war.......  But I do not think so.   :P  its  place they shoot  spaghetti westerns? 

NO eithepoia...... Italians? 


THIS guy in charge?  Haile Selassie .... I like this guy BTW.  MAny ways future thinker for his time.   ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 11, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
Is it Sicily..? Trying desperately to think of all the desert places in the world besides the American Southwest :P It might also be somewhere in Afghanistan or in the hills south of the Iraqi-Iranian mountains


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 11, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
certainly NOT sicily.  But I feel Italy somehow involved...  If it is would it include the British force sent kick out the Italians?  And italy's use of chemical weapons.........another tid bit of history forgotten......  Even targetting REd Cross hospitals.  DAMNED facsists......  If it is war there from 35 - 41


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 12:52:47 AM
Quote
Especially for this conflict we have no vehicles, soldiers or objects for the landscape.

Is this only going to be a map DLC?

Looked at the Sukhoi forums for more hints.Saw Brezhnev and Castro but it still rings no bell for me.

Also saw that Andrey said it will be a huge 160 square kilometer map. :D :D

I love maps especially large ones.So it probably won't matter to me where it's at for me to purchase it.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 12, 2013, 01:18:47 AM
Quote
Especially for this conflict we have no vehicles, soldiers or objects for the landscape.

Is this only going to be a map DLC?

Looked at the Sukhoi forums for more hints.Saw Brezhnev and Castro but it still rings no bell for me.

Also saw that Andrey said it will be a huge 160 square kilometer map. :D :D

I love maps especially large ones.So it probably won't matter to me where it's at for me to purchase it.

I am guessing they just have NOT made the assets yet.  It seems clear that Mues and Nomaghan are largly done now.  If they have time to HUGE polygon.......granted its arid.  This GOES WAY faster to make.  Brezhev and Castro?  EEEEEKKKKK NO idea........  But also suggests modeler types are not busy either. 

This second DLC is going to be off in future sometime...  Maybe I sneak in longstop while the wait?  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 12, 2013, 01:35:10 AM
how hard would it be to port it into SABOW?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Kyth on March 12, 2013, 03:37:42 AM
Quote
Especially for this conflict we have no vehicles, soldiers or objects for the landscape.

Is this only going to be a map DLC?

Looked at the Sukhoi forums for more hints.Saw Brezhnev and Castro but it still rings no bell for me.

Also saw that Andrey said it will be a huge 160 square kilometer map. :D :D

I love maps especially large ones.So it probably won't matter to me where it's at for me to purchase it.

If its got Cubans, its probably Angola again :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 04:38:47 AM
I'm thinking some place in Africa between 1975-1982.Brezhnev died in 82.

It's hard to narrow it down to any one area,because the Cubans and Russians were sponsoring all sorts of insurrections all across Africa during this time in an effort to topple the old colonial governments and replace them with more Marxist friendly goverments.

And the screen shots don't look like anywhere in Central or South America.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on March 12, 2013, 04:43:57 AM
How about Angola in the mid '70s, around the time of SADF operations like Savannah?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 04:50:10 AM
I was thinking that also,but the terrain in the screenshots don't seem to suggest the early Angola campaigns.At least not to me.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 12, 2013, 05:34:09 AM
He also said they do NOT have any assets.......  They have cuban soldiers.........and gear.  It has to be something unseen.  But cuba and soviets....they had advisers all over the place. But still not buying it that another modern conflict.  Probaably more anlogy...


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 06:17:36 AM
Quote
Probaably more anlogy...
??? ???

I'm assuiming you meant more Angola,you can put the cap back on the modelers glue,You've had enough ;D

I don't mind more Angola,matter of fact the more I read about it lately the more interested I've become in these brush wars.

Not just for the battles either,this whole conflict reads like a bad dime store novel with some really inept,corrupt and nefarious key players.From the politicians to the military leaders and the mafia like international corporations that do business in that region.

And regardless of who won or lost,it seems that nothing has really changed for that region"meet the new boss,same as the old boss".Africa as far as I can see is going to be a region in turmoil for a very very long time.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Kyth on March 12, 2013, 07:05:39 AM
He also said they do NOT have any assets....... 

I took it to mean, they don't have anything for the Ethiopian war.
So operations "Savannah" and "Carlota" are still in the running,  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 12, 2013, 07:42:45 AM
Being a total stinker this time around..............  I looked at links source..........HINT HINT.   Ya I cheated on the guessing game.   ::)  So unless a TOTAL miss direction..... It is clearly the california desert.   :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 07:50:33 AM
Ft. Irwin?

That place is a shit hole,outside of Ft.Greely Alaska that was my next least favorite training area to visit.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on March 12, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
Maybe there should be "Graviteam Tactics: Defense of Hill 781". :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Shadrach on March 12, 2013, 09:38:40 AM
Graviteam Tactics: Area 51.
Defend your not-so-secret-anymore UFO research facility against pissed off aliens wanting their ships back and paranoid conspiracy theorists. Use the latest alien laser technology!


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 10:13:00 AM
Ft Irwin is in California and is the national training center for desert warfare.

Area 51 is in Nevada and a secret testing area.Two different places with two different missions.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Shadrach on March 12, 2013, 11:09:14 AM
Oooh look who's got a PHD in geography!  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 12, 2013, 11:23:16 AM
I can see this game simulating the type of training that goes on at Ft. Irwin.

Can't imagine how it would simulate assaulting a base that is mainly underground. :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 14, 2013, 12:27:59 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166003&d=1363216739)
This is an interesting shot from the Russian forums for the other new DLC.
Have no idea where it's at,but it could easily pass for some areas of the North African desert.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 14, 2013, 12:36:28 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=165999&d=1363216682)
Here's another screenshot.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 14, 2013, 12:43:33 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166001&d=1363216710)
And one more.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: whukid on March 14, 2013, 01:22:55 AM
Southern Afghanistan maybe?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 14, 2013, 01:34:28 AM
Maybe,I don't know.But I think it's either Afghanistan or Iraq.

I'm already thinking if I had that map and the proper force mix I could simulate dozens of different battles using the terrain on that map as the battlefield.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 14, 2013, 02:37:28 AM
Its tatuein......er how ever you spell Luke Skywalkers home planet.............  Wait that was also Tunisia I am confussed again.  :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on March 14, 2013, 04:47:53 AM
I wonder if there's terrain like that on the India-Pakistan border... ???


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 14, 2013, 05:53:01 AM
Spielberg is making a film about that area and Star Wars keeps being mentioned as hints.

1971 India-Pakistan War sounds cool to me.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 15, 2013, 03:46:16 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166040&d=1363300165)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=165909&d=1362917980)


I'm really looking forward to the Operation Hooper DLC 8)

Had to wade thru a shit load of propaganda sites from both perspectives to find some pertinent information on the battles and war in Angola,but I find it to be a very interesting topic and I think it will be a good game for this series.Had my doubts in the beginning but I think modern company -Batallion battles like those fought in Angola will fit this game engine perfectly


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 15, 2013, 06:10:58 AM
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166042&d=1363300165)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166043&d=1363300165)
 8) 8)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 15, 2013, 09:24:52 AM
From what I read on Russian forums Andrey stated the next DLC after Angloa is Afghanistan.

I thought thats what we would see next,all those hints,except for the Leopard vs Lion made absolutely no sense to me. :)

In those screenshots it doesn't look like the Muj have a whole lot of cover and concealment to ambush from.
Too bad for them ;D



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 15, 2013, 09:26:11 AM
DAMNIT I want HOOPER now.  Look I am regressing in age..........  NOW NOW NOW ONW> LOL :P


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 15, 2013, 09:44:27 AM
From what I read on Russian forums Andrey stated the next DLC after Angloa is Afghanistan.
Well, not so simple  ;D.
First letter of country is A, for province is G, for area is R

I thought thats what we would see next,all those hints,except for the Leopard vs Lion made absolutely no sense to me. :)
Well, I said earlier (for Angola) that the lion is the Soviet Union in 70-80 years.
It remains only to find out who are the leopard and the bird! in the desert  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 15, 2013, 10:04:59 AM
From what I read on Russian forums Andrey stated the next DLC after Angloa is Afghanistan.
Well, not so simple  ;D.
First letter of country is A, for province is G, for area is R

I thought thats what we would see next,all those hints,except for the Leopard vs Lion made absolutely no sense to me. :)
Well, I said earlier (for Angola) that the lion is the Soviet Union in 70-80 years.
It remains only to find out who are the leopard and the bird! in the desert  ;D



It apeears I am vary bad at these puzzles...........


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Kyth on March 15, 2013, 12:19:05 PM

It apeears I am vary bad at these puzzles...........

Clearly, indisputably, its the California desert.  :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 16, 2013, 02:10:20 AM
Hey Flashburn,

You wanted to see some Order of battle and  Tables of organization and equipment (OOB and TO&E) on Angola earlier. Here is reference for all the combatants,both sides.Sept.1987

http://www.warinangola.com/Default.aspx?tabid=671

This site is very good for that information,very detailed down to squad weapons.
There is a disclaimer though for the OOBs,not so much because they are inaccurate,but because they haven't been authenticated, but it is still better than anything else I could find for this level of detail.

Most likely authorized strength as opposed to actual combat strength.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 17, 2013, 02:31:40 AM
More Operation Hooper Screen shots.
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166118&d=1363446276)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166117&d=1363446276)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166116&d=1363446276)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Squadman45 on March 17, 2013, 09:37:54 AM
Is much better DLC than last one... maybe i prefer other conflict like middle east, gulf war 1990, Vietnam 1972-1975... or WW3 but lets see how works the engine in modern.

Other thing is why they dont convert the SABOW battles to APOS engine, maybe as DLC...


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 17, 2013, 12:17:47 PM
Other thing is why they dont convert the SABOW battles to APOS engine, maybe as DLC...
Its not an conversion from SABOW. Yes, the same battle, practically the same place but almost completely different.
Conversion from SABOW will not be and in future too.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 17, 2013, 07:08:32 PM
Andrey,

If helicopters are in the new DLC,will the player be able to use any of them for troop transport and supply?
Or,are they only going to be used as gun platforms in the close air support role?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 17, 2013, 07:26:32 PM
If helicopters are in the new DLC,will the player be able to use any of them for troop transport and supply?

Yes, at the operational phase they may be used to drop supply.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 17, 2013, 07:34:14 PM
OK  8)

Had a brief picture in my mind of burning soldiers (falling out of helicopers or fleeing from crashed helicopers) on a failed tactical air mobile combat insertion ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flanker15 on March 20, 2013, 09:52:36 AM
Any new tanks and stuff going to be in this or just SABOW stuff?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:04:35 AM
New screenshots of next DLC after Angola DLC.
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166358&d=1363890843)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166355&d=1363890818)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:13:09 AM
My guess is the Iran Iraq War 1980 or Afghan Civil War,right before the Soviets invaded in Dec.1979
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166361&d=1363890911)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166356&d=1363890827)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:20:12 AM
Very barren area,not infantry friendly at all.
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166357&d=1363890835)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166360&d=1363890904)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:27:48 AM
A few more screen shots.
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166359&d=1363890895)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166362&d=1363890917)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 22, 2013, 02:34:17 AM
interesting.........  The rate they are moving on polygon seems fast. Also gives me ideas.  If they went ahead with this one, they must think Hooper is pretty good. 


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:38:01 AM
Hooper looks real good to me,I hope it sells well and they expand on other Angolan operations a little more in the future.
I've been doing some more reading on the Angolan Civil Wars lately and I find it to be quite an interesting conflict with plenty of different operations over a 15 year period that would suit this game engine perfectly.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:40:46 AM
More screen shots from next DLC after Hooper.
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166306&d=1363849930)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166311&d=1363850082)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:43:47 AM
And a few more of the map,and from what I understand it will be a large 160 square kilometers.
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166319&d=1363850200)
[imghttp://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166317&d=1363850180][/img]


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 02:48:23 AM
Some more....
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166316&d=1363850172)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166310&d=1363849973)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166312&d=1363850093)
(http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=166314&d=1363850113)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flashburn on March 22, 2013, 04:35:16 AM
YEs hooper indeed seems pretty darn good.   ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 22, 2013, 08:09:15 AM
This DLC is summer 1979, Afganistan Gerat....


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 08:15:57 AM
Afghan civil war before the Soviet army officially invaded in Dec.1979.
I understand some Soviet combat units were already in Afghanistan before the invasion in December.
Will they be in the DLC?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on March 22, 2013, 08:47:23 AM
In English we call it Herat province,the G threw me off when looking it up. :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 22, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
Afghan civil war before the Soviet army officially invaded in Dec.1979.
Exactly hit.
But all of this practically without Afghans  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on March 22, 2013, 01:47:19 PM
In English we call it Herat province,the G threw me off when looking it up. :D
For every far arabic eastern names (not this) it's all very clear with the sound, even on the maps sometimes give different names to towns and places.
But for the Chinese is even worse  ;D.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Lemonade on May 19, 2013, 06:57:31 PM
Hi folks. Please forgive my ignorance, but this thread has grown to 16 pages, so I don't have that much time to browse every post here. What I'd like to ask you is to what conclusion did you come when discussing the hi-res pack? Are the changes introduced to vehicles' textures noticeable on close-ups? By looking at the screenshots I can barely see the difference, but - they're just screenshots, not a real game. So, is this DLC worth purchasing?
I'm hesitating between the hi-res pack, or Operation Hooper. But I'm more into WW2 than modern combat.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 19, 2013, 07:58:13 PM
I never bought the Hi res-mod.Wasn't interested in it so I can't help you there.

Now if there were a DLC that offered different camo skins for the tanks I would buy that instantly.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tanker on May 20, 2013, 01:00:25 AM
I think you'll get more mileage out of Op Hooper than the hi res files.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Santini on May 20, 2013, 09:29:43 AM
Yeah, defiantly I would recommend Hooper or Shield over the high rez

Both of the new DLC's have easily 40+ hours of gameplay


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Lemonade on May 20, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
Thank you guys. I'll buy Hooper. :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 20, 2013, 02:50:29 PM
I'm not sure yet which new modern DLC I like better-Shield or Hooper.
I like the campaign more in Hooper but I get much more mileage out of Shield in the quick battles because of the force mix.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 26, 2013, 10:25:35 AM
New polygon for next DLC (screens from editor):
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65270&p=1998782&viewfull=1#post1998782


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flanker15 on May 26, 2013, 10:41:19 AM
A while ago there was talk about a game that was Russia vs Japan in Khalkhin Gol was that going to be a OpStar DLC or new game?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 26, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
A while ago there was talk about a game that was Russia vs Japan in Khalkhin Gol was that going to be a OpStar DLC or new game?
Separate game on GTMF engine.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 27, 2013, 05:47:04 PM
New polygon for next DLC (screens from editor):
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65270&p=1998782&viewfull=1#post1998782

What size is the new map going to be?

It looks very barren.I miss the trees and villages.
Especially large villages.I like fighting over them and liberating them.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 27, 2013, 06:20:49 PM

What size is the new map going to be?
36 sq. km

It looks very barren.I miss the trees and villages.
Especially large villages.I like fighting over them and liberating them.
No trees, no villages, even bushes is rare its a Dzungarian Gates - only mountains and steppe

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kozRE-67elg/Sltxsdl25rI/AAAAAAAAAR8/1C3Bva-O55s/s1024/IMG_0845.jpg
http://www.onyxtour.kz/userfiles/images/Alakol/2dd17b42886663c2487beeab5dead0ed.jpg?rand=105801257
http://i.drom.ru/pubs/4483/12815/125602.jpg


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tanker on May 28, 2013, 03:13:19 PM
The location seems a bit too far to the east.  I don't think the Germans penetrated that far.  Or is this semi-historical?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 28, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
The location seems a bit too far to the east. 
Yes is a USSR - China border

I don't think the Germans penetrated that far. 
Especially in 1969  ;D

Or is this semi-historical?
As I say each DLC wiil be different from previous - semi-historical already there, that means - next will be historical.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tanker on May 28, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
Ok, I'm all up to speed now. :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on May 28, 2013, 08:57:19 PM
Will there be any new DLC set in WW2 for GTOS?

Also how about doing a big DLC for Operation Saturn and the subsequent retreat of the Italian Eight Army and then the attack and retreat of the  Alpini Corps?  You could follow the 2nd Tridentina Division which was the only Alpini division to escape capture and annihilation.  Maybe the Italian\German campaign wher eyou have to hold off the attack for a set amount of turns..then do a retreat and breakout out. Russian Campiagn where you have to destroy the Italian 8th Army then the Alpini Corps.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Tac Error on May 28, 2013, 09:29:02 PM
The DLC that is planned after the current one in production will be a WWII operation focused around armored warfare, IIRC.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 29, 2013, 06:37:50 AM
Will there be any new DLC set in WW2 for GTOS?
In some sence next after Zhalanashkol is WW2  :D

Also how about doing a big DLC for Operation Saturn and the subsequent retreat of the Italian Eight Army and then the attack and retreat of the  Alpini Corps?  You could follow the 2nd Tridentina Division which was the only Alpini division to escape capture and annihilation.  Maybe the Italian\German campaign wher eyou have to hold off the attack for a set amount of turns..then do a retreat and breakout out. Russian Campiagn where you have to destroy the Italian 8th Army then the Alpini Corps.
Maybe someday not soon.
We have a lot of Eastern Front themes that developed and awaiting release.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 29, 2013, 06:39:44 AM
The DLC that is planned after the current one in production will be a WWII operation focused around armored warfare, IIRC.
Something like this, focused around armored warfare and WWII but not operation  ;D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Flanker15 on May 29, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
So WW2 tank pack?


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 29, 2013, 11:19:41 AM
"Spherical tanks in a vacuum"-I'm assuming this is basically what Flanker says a "Tank Pack".
A DLC with only tanks to be used with the existing maps in the game for Quick Battles.

Will this end the development for GTOS after the "Spherical tanks in a vacuum" is released?
That is-Will no further patches and updates be released for GTOS once GTMF is released or will GTOS and GTMF be considered on going projects.

I understand GTMF will have a new engine and will not be compatible with the GTOS.



Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 29, 2013, 12:47:46 PM
"Spherical tanks in a vacuum"-I'm assuming this is basically what Flanker says a "Tank Pack".
A DLC with only tanks to be used with the existing maps in the game for Quick Battles.
Yes, something like this.

Will this end the development for GTOS after the "Spherical tanks in a vacuum" is released?
We see to dynamics of sales. If later DLCs will be interesting to the players, then there will be new.

That is-Will no further patches and updates be released for GTOS once GTMF is released or will GTOS and GTMF be considered on going projects.
Patches will fix critical bugs if there found, and add support for the future DLCs. Fundamental changes in the gameplay or the interface will not. Well, in some sense, the technology for GTMF will affect the DLCs for GTOS too.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: Dane49 on May 29, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
Quote
We have a lot of Eastern Front themes that developed and awaiting release.

I'm aware of Mius Front 43 and Sinyavino 42. 8)

Are there other East Front projects that may be released in the future that you are exploring that haven't been mentioned yet in this forum and could you tell us a little more about them please?

I look forward to all your future releases.
This is my favorite game. :D


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on May 29, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
Well fingers crossed we get to see some of the Axis minor countries on the East front..


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 29, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
Well fingers crossed we get to see some of the Axis minor countries on the East front..
No, not see in near future.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: RedC on May 29, 2013, 06:29:12 PM
Would we see this game around Sandomierz opertaions, forcing of the Vistula...etc? To relive interesting moments as a scout/front detachment of 1st Tank Guard Army? Relive moments of hero Подгорбунский... :)


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: wodin on May 29, 2013, 07:07:13 PM
yeah I understand that..just saying one day in the future it would be cool...

Well fingers crossed we get to see some of the Axis minor countries on the East front..
No, not see in near future.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 29, 2013, 10:36:54 PM
Plans are planned for 2 years in advance, and perhaps all three, with our limited resources.
No Sandomir or any 1944 or 45 not present in plans.


Title: Re: New DLC
Post by: andrey12345 on May 29, 2013, 10:58:43 PM
Some screens http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3789430/Re_Achtung_panzer_Operation_st#Post3789430