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Title: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 19, 2011, 12:07:01 PM
Within the next one or two weeks i will release the first missions of my Barbarossa Campaign.
Stay tuned for more informations!

Rends

PS: why does uploading attachments don´t work here?I select an image from my HD and when i hit the post button i get an error message that something is wrong with the upload path.
Whatever this means.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Kyth on September 19, 2011, 12:10:41 PM
Hi,

Nice work, looking forward to it!

ps. Images have to be hosted off-site, then linked in,


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: bidounegger on September 19, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
Hello Rends !

what a good new you give us !

now, we're waiting for ....!!!!


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 19, 2011, 10:06:22 PM
Pictures can be found over at simhq:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3392725/Barbarossa_Campaign_beta_for_S.html#Post3392725 (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3392725/Barbarossa_Campaign_beta_for_S.html#Post3392725)

I will update them from time to time.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: hemisent on September 19, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
Great news! Looking forward to this.



Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: frinik on September 20, 2011, 05:27:57 AM
Looking forward to it Rends! :)

 Will it come with new maps or are you going to be using the game stock maps???

Cheers



Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 20, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
There will be all new maps.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: yl9961027 on September 20, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
Great! Will be used in new buildings?


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 20, 2011, 03:28:49 PM
I need to check them out first. If all works fine i guess i will use the new buildings.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Mistwalker on September 21, 2011, 12:24:14 AM
Will it be German or Soviet missions? Because  both Pz. IVF2 and Pz. III/L60 appeared after Barbarossa, so it'll be hard to deal with T-34 and KV only with  75-mm L24 or short 50mm  gun.  ;D
On the other hand it should be hard  to fight german vehicles in T-34 or KV too, because 76-mm tank guns at that time almost didn't have AP rounds. Instead shrapnel rounds had been used.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Donken on September 21, 2011, 12:33:14 AM
Ah great Rends. Its always nice with new campaigns. Its gonna be interesting to see your work!


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: whukid on September 21, 2011, 12:50:28 AM
Very much looking forward to this :D


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Txema on September 21, 2011, 09:32:01 AM
Yes, looking forward to this new campaign !!


Txema


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 21, 2011, 11:58:15 AM
Will it be German or Soviet missions? Because  both Pz. IVF2 and Pz. III/L60 appeared after Barbarossa, so it'll be hard to deal with T-34 and KV only with  75-mm L24 or short 50mm  gun.  ;D
On the other hand it should be hard  to fight german vehicles in T-34 or KV too, because 76-mm tank guns at that time almost didn't have AP rounds. Instead shrapnel rounds had been used.
Campaign will play in the early weeks of Barbarossa when KV and T-34 were rare. It will be playable from the german side and you are driving a Panzer III  ;D but i might switch to Panzer IV later in the campaign.
You will be part of the Panzergruppe 2 (Guderian) XXXXVII Pz.K. and cross the Bug river near Brest-Litowsk and will have to fight the Bialystok pocket . Marching over Slonim - Sluzk - Minsk and cross the Beresina. Campaign goal for now is Smolensk area.
It´s semi historical. The history background is there but the missions and tank battles are my own imagination/fiction.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: frinik on September 21, 2011, 12:58:13 PM
 I thinkthe vast majority of Soviet tanks in the early months of Barbarossa were T-26,28,35,60,70, BTs etc.The T-34s, if I remember correctly,  did not appear until October 1941 and there were just a handful of KV1s at that time.For the German side you had Panzer IV F1s and Stug B/C/Ds and Panzer III s with the short 37 mm gun and the Panzer 38t and IIs.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Mistwalker on September 21, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
I thinkthe vast majority of Soviet tanks in the early months of Barbarossa were T-26,28,35,60,70, BTs etc.The T-34s, if I remember correctly,  did not appear until October 1941 and there were just a handful of KV1s at that time.

Campaign will play in the early weeks of Barbarossa when KV and T-34 were rare.

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Campaign will play in the early weeks of Barbarossa when KV and T-34 were rare. It will be playable from the german side and you are driving a Panzer III  ;D but i might switch to Panzer IV later in the campaign. You will be part of the Panzergruppe 2 (Guderian) XXXXVII Pz.K. and cross the Bug river near Brest-Litowsk and will have to fight the Bialystok pocket . Marching over Slonim - Sluzk - Minsk and cross the Beresina.
Ok, you've stepped on my ground. :) Here's the map:
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7494/mart41map1.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/mart41map1.jpg/)

6th mechanized corps in Bialystok area was the most powerful one. It had over 1000 tanks -  238 of those were T-34 and 114 were KV (also 416 BT, 126 T-26, 127 other types). Corps moved from Bialystok to Grodno area (many vehicles were lost during march) and clashed with 256 infantry division (3 Stug III, 88 and 150 mm guns) and 162 infantry division. Then remains of the corps retreated by the end of June to Slonim area where they, disorganized, fought with forces of 2. Panzergruppe (29th motorized division confirmed, German tanks also confirmed).
Some photos of KV of 6th corps here:http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-9-0-00000056-000-0-0 (http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-9-0-00000056-000-0-0)

13th mechanized corps had 244 T-26, 15 BT and 16 T-38 and was destroyed in battles with 9th army corps.

14th mechanized corps of 4th Army was stationed in Brest area and had 528 T-26, 6 BT and 10 T-38. That was the one 2. Panzergruppe clashed with. By 29th June remains of the corps retreated to Beresina river.
17th mechanized corps (in the process of formation) had 24 BT, 1 T-26 and 11 T-38.

Also 11th  mechanized corps in Grodno area had 3 KV, 28 T-34, 44 BT and 141 T-26. This one fought against tanks of 3. Panzergruppe.

That was about Soviet tanks in this region.

Now about Wehrmacht tank divisions:
There were 2 panzerdivisions (17th and 18th) in 47th motorized corps and 2 (3rd and 4th) in 24th motorized corps of 2. Panzergruppe.

17th panzerdivision   had  44 Pz.II, 106 Pz.III, 30 Pz.IV.
18th panzerdivision had  50 Pz.II, 99 Pz.III (37 mm), 15 Pz.III (50 mm), 36 Pz.IV.

3rd panzerdivision  had  44 Pz.II, 106 Pz.III, 30 Pz.IV.
4th panzerdivision had  50 Pz.II, 99 Pz.III (37 mm), 15 Pz.III (50 mm), 36 Pz.IV.

Now the main problem. Pz. III J which we have in SF, did not participate in Barbarossa campaign, because it was put in production later. In summer offensive participated Pz. III of G and H model and those have some noticeabe differences from J model - like shorter hull, different rear and bolted armor.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Kyth on September 22, 2011, 07:22:35 AM
As a bit of a footnote,

the Panzer III J with the short L/42 gun seems to bear a close resemblance to the Panzer III H, and it can be 'unlocked', so to speak, as a player tank since it

shares the same model with the Panzer III J L/60.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: frinik on September 22, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
Thanks for the clarification Mistwalker! So the T34s and Kvs in the game can be used for Barbarossa!BTWhat is the official end of Barbarossa?In September 1941 when Hitler decided to focus on the Ukraine rather than push to Moscow as fast as possible as advocated by Guderian?


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Kyth on September 23, 2011, 03:35:15 AM
BTWhat is the official end of Barbarossa?In September 1941 when Hitler decided to focus on the Ukraine rather than push to Moscow as fast as possible as advocated by Guderian?

Somehow I don't think it ever had an 'official' end since it ended in failure :)

But I think it was well and truly brought to an end with the Soviet counter-offensive at Moscow in December '41.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 24, 2011, 09:14:19 PM
Pictures can be found over at simhq:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3392725/Barbarossa_Campaign_beta_for_S.html#Post3392725 (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3392725/Barbarossa_Campaign_beta_for_S.html#Post3392725)

I will update them from time to time.

I posted some more images over at SimHQ.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Mistwalker on September 24, 2011, 10:18:10 PM
Just a word of notice: all T-35 (48 vehicles) were in Ukraine and fought against Army Group South. No T-35 confirmed in the way of Army Group Centre.

Also as we don't have Panzer III ausf.H or G - I think it's the best way to follow Kyth's advice and at least change Pz III J/L60 то Pz.III J/L42. Plus Pz III with long gun in Barbarossa seems kinda cheating on German side.   


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 24, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
Just a word of notice: all T-35 (48 vehicles) were in Ukraine and fought against Army Group South. No T-35 confirmed in the way of Army Group Centre.

Also as we don't have Panzer III ausf.H or G - I think it's the best way to follow Kyth's advice and at least change Pz III J/L60 то Pz.III J/L42. Plus Pz III with long gun in Barbarossa seems kinda cheating on German side.   

Ok, i will leave the T-35 out then  :(
What is the ME entry for the Pz.III J/L42? (The ME unit list confused me sometimes)
I will change them too.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Kyth on September 25, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
Just a word of notice: all T-35 (48 vehicles) were in Ukraine and fought against Army Group South. No T-35 confirmed in the way of Army Group Centre.

Also as we don't have Panzer III ausf.H or G - I think it's the best way to follow Kyth's advice and at least change Pz III J/L60 то Pz.III J/L42. Plus Pz III with long gun in Barbarossa seems kinda cheating on German side.   

Ok, i will leave the T-35 out then  :(
What is the ME entry for the Pz.III J/L42? (The ME unit list confused me sometimes)
I will change them too.

The regular SPM 1.5 unit list does not include any playable Panzer IIIJ L/42. But it is possible to 'unlock them' with additional entries in the 'common_units' and 'common_res' files. Anyway, here's a set that I prepared earlier... based on SPM 1.5 (update 1.4):
http://www.4shared.com/file/Qu-4GhsS/PanzerIIIkz.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/Qu-4GhsS/PanzerIIIkz.html)

How to use:

After activating in JGSME, the new playable units can be found in the ME listing under 'Medium Tanks (Wehrmacht)':

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JoJXgk725nU/Tn6KCRcsboI/AAAAAAAAAcg/Ua4l_4B6Ees/s800/PzIIIkz.jpg)


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 25, 2011, 02:14:22 PM
Is this a ME mod only or does everyone else need it if he wants to play the missions?
I not a fan of mixing stuff together (Missions and unit mods)

If everyone else need the stuff then i suggest to add the Pz.III J stuff and the Pz.IV H and whatever has been released since the latest unit pack and create a new SPM version.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Mistwalker on September 25, 2011, 03:03:05 PM
Ok, i will leave the T-35 out then
But you can always do a separate mission for the troops of Army Group South in Barbarossa, where T-35 will exist.

Also if you want to add KV and T-34 in missions, it's better to remove from their inventory most or even all 76-mm AP rounds and add more shrapnel rounds instead. There was a serious shortage of 76-mm AP rounds in the beginning of the war. 
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Is this a ME mod only or does everyone else need it if he wants to play the missions?
I not a fan of mixing stuff together (Missions and unit mods)
The way things are now Pz.IIIJ/L42 can be put in mission only as single tank=platoon. If you want to add entire platoon of those, or mixed platoons without Pz.IIIJ/L60, you have to add those platoons in common_units file. It's a flexible way to add squads structured exactly as you want in your missions and I often use it. But creators of newer mods that modify common_units file will have to take your mod into account (otherwise their mod won't be compatible with yours) - that's the only problem.

As to new SPM and Pz.IV H - the new stuff is coming so it's better to release all at once. The modifying of common_units a little different -  you don't add any content, you just create new platoons with existing vehicles.

The regular SPM 1.5 unit list does not include any playable Panzer IIIJ L/42. But it is possible to 'unlock them' with additional entries in the 'common_units' and 'common_res' files.
Why dou you need to modify common_res?


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Kyth on September 25, 2011, 03:15:37 PM

The regular SPM 1.5 unit list does not include any playable Panzer IIIJ L/42. But it is possible to 'unlock them' with additional entries in the 'common_units' and 'common_res' files.
Why dou you need to modify common_res?

The shell entries were linked to the icons for the user interface:

PZGR_50,0x01,%SHELL_AP%,KWK38,683,40,0.5,0.1,0,1,1,0,2.06,0,0.2,8,1,1,0.1,0,1,1,1,
expl_gndl*,expl_techl*,expl_buildl*,expl_water*,expl_human*,fly1,0,1000,1,txt_shell_pzgr_50,
ap_expl_pat,rico_pat,piece_pat,0,1,1,1,1,0xffff4040,3,1,21,SHELL_MED,SHELLC_MED;

PZGR402_50,0x01,%SHELL_APSC%,KWK38,1130,40.4,0.7,0.5,23,1,1,0,0.9,0,0.5,8,0.5,0.5,0.1,0,1,1,1,
expl_gndl*,expl_techl*,expl_buildl*,expl_water*,expl_human*,fly1,0,500,1,txt_shell_pzgr402_50,
apsc_expl_pat,rico_pat,piece_pat,0,1,1,1,1,0xffff4040,3,0.7,22,SHELL_MED,SHELLC_MED;

Just a little something to make things more presentable,


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on September 25, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
Well someone should release a SPM update soon. I for myself will not include the common units and res files in my campaign.
This will only end in confusion.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: Rends on October 07, 2011, 10:44:10 PM
Update: 5 out of 7 missions done. Need to add some text messages and images plus a couple of bug fixes.


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: frinik on October 08, 2011, 01:37:05 AM
 Good news on the Eastern Front! I can already hear the rumble of tanks moving into position on the Bug :D


Title: Re: Barbarossa Campaign (beta) for SF42 coming soon
Post by: lockie on October 08, 2011, 07:25:32 AM
Update: 5 out of 7 missions done.
Great news! Du u need any help? Would be interesting to see additional video fragments and voices at the radio.