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Title: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 15, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
Here is the correct optic for the JagdPanther Sfl.Z.F.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KNILEMdbGkg/TlECbYhrSwI/AAAAAAAAASs/rpWmPAFf_rU/s1600/Stug+3_4+Sfl.Z.F.jpg)

Your's if you want it.



Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 15, 2011, 07:50:26 PM
This gunsight reticle's presented in the game already. The goal is - it wasn't included to Jaghdpanther. As my point a current one is quite suitable, though it doesn't look realistic, but it's better than to use "original" by keys "H/J".


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 15, 2011, 08:12:37 PM
Sorry lockie I don't understand, you use the Tiger optic because it is better?


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: VAsemkiii on October 15, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
Lockie

Surely for what is the most realistic simulator on the market, from where I am standing, its better to have the right gunsight reticle for the right vehicle or have I fallen off the horse?

Apologise, if I have read the post wrong


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: whukid on October 15, 2011, 09:20:43 PM
Lockie

Surely for what is the most realistic simulator on the market, from where I am standing, its better to have the right gunsight reticle for the right vehicle or have I fallen off the horse?

Apologise, if I have read the post wrong


That's a double edged sword. You can't adjust the jadpanther scope, which makes the Tiger sight more accurate


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 15, 2011, 09:29:56 PM
you use the Tiger optic because it is better?
Yes, it's more comfortable and easy than such as "original", which is full of bugs and you don't know what the key(H/J) should be pressed to catch the aim. After, all your adjusting simply wipe out if your gunner put out from the hatch. Oh, and another one - the same sound "open hatch or adjust reticle" :)
Of course, it's interesting and give more feelings as u're in a real machine, but I prefer comfort, like unreal gunsight for Stug III G.

Surely for what is the most realistic simulator on the market, from where I am standing, its better to have the right gunsight reticle for the right vehicle or have I fallen off the horse?
The game itself wasn't designed for the "drum-gunsight". A current one is just a trick, but that's OK - some1 like it, some1 not. And of course, all above said it's only my personal opinion. As I told, if I had a chance - I'd prefer a comfort ;)
Anyway, I've already uploaded a source file (http://www.4shared.com/file/FZsLFyQ7/reticle_stug.html) vs a similar reticle and it could be applied to the jagdpanter in a way as a "drum-gunsight".


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 15, 2011, 10:44:31 PM
I understand and fully respect your decision.

If it is not to much trouble would you be kind enough to explain to me how I can change the current optic for the Stug optic.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 16, 2011, 08:23:30 AM
If it is not to much trouble would you be kind enough to explain to me how I can change the current optic for the Stug optic.
It's a long and complicate story ;) I may help with some steps.
There are the three major steps:
1. Draw the reticle.
2. Put in the game and adjusting.
3. Connect reticle as a hatch to the spg barrel.
Let's start from the point 2.
You need an instruction by egorOgr.  It's in russian:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=60094
1. Save your file in format "*.emf"
2. Open SF Object Editor->F8->open reticle file
You got a reticle model in format "*.go".
3. Use instruction by Mishel_new(translated Txema) to attach reticle to spg:
http://www.4shared.com/file/ymCpWKid/english_version_NTA13.html


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 16, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
Thank you again lockie :)


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: frinik on October 16, 2011, 08:36:44 AM
Speaking of the Jagdpanther's reticle I agree with the majority, despite Murkz' generous offer, that the current reticle is comfortable and easy to use.It is the same reticle used by the Tiger II.However the Tiger II variant uses 2 types of magnification while the Jagdpanther allows only the larger one.I  like the larger one to spot targets  but the smaller one I prefer to use for shooting as it allows more precise aiming.Is there anyway to get the smaller magnification into the Japdpanther's reticle?


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 16, 2011, 08:52:18 AM
On the question of optics.

Is it possible to zoom the optic and not have the strich zoom as in real life? At the moment both zoom :)


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 16, 2011, 09:08:14 AM
Is it possible to zoom the optic and not have the strich zoom as in real life? At the moment both zoom :)
As I remember, there was a an "OpticMod" by egorOgr. Perhaps, it'll help u:
http://tanksim.org.ru/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=11&lid=120





Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: Donken on October 20, 2011, 05:56:36 AM
And while we are talking sights, anyone up for making a sight for the Jagdtiger? All i know im afraid is the sights name is WZF 2/1 But ive seen other versions like WZF 2/7 also.

And oh, What sight did the Jagdpanzer have?


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 20, 2011, 09:45:20 AM
anyone up for making a sight for the Jagdtiger?
I'm up :) But I need a picture of reticle.

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All i know im afraid is the sights name is WZF 2/1 But ive seen other versions like WZF 2/7 also.
If the model is Jagdtiger Ausf. H then reticle should be WZF 2/7:
http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/vs_optics.php
Primary Magnification: 10
Primary Field of View: 7

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And oh, What sight did the Jagdpanzer have?
I think it's Sfl.ZF 1a for Jagdpanzer IV/48, JagdpanzerIV/70(A), Jagdpanzer IV/70(V).


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: frinik on October 20, 2011, 12:48:30 PM
I think it's similar to the one used by the Jagdpanzer Elefant/Ferdinand in the game.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: Donken on October 20, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
anyone up for making a sight for the Jagdtiger?
I'm up :) But I need a picture of reticle.

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All i know im afraid is the sights name is WZF 2/1 But ive seen other versions like WZF 2/7 also.
If the model is Jagdtiger Ausf. H then reticle should be WZF 2/7:
http://www.tarrif.net/cgi/production/vs_optics.php
Primary Magnification: 10
Primary Field of View: 7

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And oh, What sight did the Jagdpanzer have?
I think it's Sfl.ZF 1a for Jagdpanzer IV/48, JagdpanzerIV/70(A), Jagdpanzer IV/70(V).


Ah thx Lockie. And about JT sight, i have no idea how it looks like. I cant find any picture at all of it :S ive searched for it but no succes.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: Txema on October 20, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
Hi Lockie,

While we are speaking about gunsights, let me suggest something:

Could you please consider re-doing the gunsights of the "Panzer IV F2" and of the "Panzer IV F" ?

The gunsights that we currently have in Steel Fury are not the real ones. The real ones look like:

Panzer IV F2:
http://postimage.org/image/2k5n0c7gk/

Panzer IV F:
http://postimage.org/image/2k608mzes/

The pictures are from Steel Fury because they were developed for Fall Blau but never released...


Txema


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 20, 2011, 03:32:14 PM
Could you please consider re-doing the gunsights of the "Panzer IV F2" and of the "Panzer IV F"?
Hi, Txema.
Gunsight for PzIV waz originally made by developers and I think it's quite enough acceptive and suitable. Means, as my point there's no need to redone it.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 20, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
And about JT sight, i have no idea how it looks like. I cant find any picture at all of it :S
I've idea, if some1 plays in WoT, there should be a reticle for jagdtiger. There's only need to make a screenshot and place here on the forum.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 20, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
WOT will not have the correct optic, they use a generic sight.

Red Orcherstra Darkest Hour mod has a JagdTiger with optic, which looks like the pak optic, same as the JagdPanther optic should be, so i guess you wont use the correct one.

If you want a screenie I can grab one.

Jeff


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 20, 2011, 04:52:19 PM
WOT will not have the correct optic, they use a generic sight.
I didn't know. I saw some quite original ones and thought that every other should've been like original :)

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Red Orcherstra Darkest Hour mod has a JagdTiger with optic, which looks like the pak optic, same as the JagdPanther optic should be, so i guess you wont use the correct one. If you want a screenie I can grab one.
Yes, plz do.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: murkz on October 20, 2011, 05:09:05 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6035/6264238662_4fe6e69cf1_o.jpg)

If we are doing this one correctly, can we please do the JagdPanther correctly as well ?


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: lockie on October 20, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
If we are doing this one correctly, can we please do the JagdPanther correctly as well?
Thanks! As I can see the reticle is similar to Sfl.ZF 1a. It does that we've another "drum-gunsight"  type :( Anyway, I'll be able to make a similar reticle such as STUG IIIG has:
(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/3/2/thumb/thumb_7a93ab7e.jpg) (http://xmages.net/view.php/90487)
There's only one difference to compare to "drum-shaped" type - distance scale will be placed on the original reticle instead model "drum". As my point, it's more comfortable, still looks as original and compatible vs a game controls. Perhaps, in a future, it could be replaced vs a "drum" type. At this moment only one man made a "drum-shaped" reticle types: Mishel-new from forum "sukhoi". All of them(StugIIIC/D/Ferdinand/MarderII(131/132)/Brummbaer) were included in mod NTA1.3.


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: Donken on October 20, 2011, 07:30:42 PM
About Jagdpanther. From what i found on lots of sites they say that the "early" model have the sfl.Zf 1a sight, the same as Ferdinand. The "late" production got a new sight called WZF 1/4. And the model we got in SF do look like the "late" production model. But how the WZF 1/4 sight look like i have no idea either :S


Title: Re: JagdPanther Optic
Post by: frinik on October 21, 2011, 01:48:28 PM
BTW I managed to reduce the magnification of the Jagdpanther gunsight by half.I tested it and now it's easier to aim and hit at the target where you want.Likewise I managed to do the same with the Elefant gunsight...