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« on: September 01, 2013, 05:00:18 PM »

Who uses a 32-bit OS?
please ask
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 06:16:46 PM »

Hi Andrey,

I use Windows 7 32bit.

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2013, 01:45:02 AM »


I also use Windows 7 32-bit.

I also have the 64-bit version installed on my other Boot Drive, .. but, I rarely use it.


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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2013, 04:54:55 AM »

Who uses a 32-bit OS?
please ask


Why is this important?
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2013, 05:35:59 AM »

Why is this important?

No doubt it's related to the memory limitations of a 32 bit OS.

I'm guessing GT wanna use bigger textures or something that would require having
access to more than 4 Gb of memory.

.. or, perhaps they want to develop a 64-bit executable.  Smiley


Oh, & BTW, .. you didn't actually answer Andrey's question ..  Wink


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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2013, 07:16:22 AM »

Ya if ALOT of gtos users are running 64 bit OS then using more than 3gb of ram is possible.  Right now the game seems to use up to 2 gb of ram.  It line for computers made 5 years back or so.  Everything since then seems to have at least 4gb from the factory.  I don't know if 64bit and using more ram is worth it.  BUT sure would be a nice option.   Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2013, 08:17:47 AM »

I also use windows 7 32-bit with 8GB of memory.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2013, 08:46:41 AM »

I also use windows 7 32-bit with 8GB of memory.

32 Bit Windows will ONLY use 4 Gb of that memory. The other 4 Gb is not being used at all.


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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2013, 12:00:29 PM »

No doubt it's related to the memory limitations of a 32 bit OS.
No, very its minor feature. Typical GPUs still limited by 1Gb. Other data is small, 3Gb is enough.

But now 64 bit Mius have a better performance than 32 bit.



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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2013, 12:02:22 PM »

I also use windows 7 32-bit with 8GB of memory.
Only ~3-3.5GB used in 32 bit for user applications. Rest in reserve. But this is minor issue. For GTOS not need more than 3Gb.
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2013, 03:10:06 PM »

On the x86 32bit OS, RAM use is usually chopped below 4gb, if you have an application that calls all RAM i.e. not just that 'recognized & used' by Win, then 4+GB can be used.  The app in question has to have it's own way of finding & using that RAM, I think Autodesk products used to have a feature like this.

It is the version of Win which determines what RAM will be used
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http://www.thewindowsclub.com/what-is-the-maximum-memory-ram-limit-for-64-bit-windows-7
All 32-bit Windows client SKUs, however, including Windows Vista, Windows XP and Windows 2000 Professional, support a maximum of 4GB of physical memory. 4GB is the highest physical address accessible with the standard x86 memory management mode. Hardware Specifications for Windows 7 lays down the minimum memory (RAM) requirements.

So, while the maximum RAM limit for 32-bit Windows 7 editions is 4GB, when it comes to the 64-bit editions, the amount of memory that the OS can address depends on which edition you are running.

Here are the upper RAM limits for the different editions of Windows 7:

Starter : 2GB
 Home Basic : 8GB
 Home Premium : 16GB
 Professionall: 192GB
 Enterprise : 192GB
 Ultimate : 192GB


but see
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/make-windows-7-and-vista-32-bit-x86-support-more-than-4gb-memory/

Might be worth a go.  Historically I had 4gb+ patches help out with program RAM access.  It can be as simple as a single element in the file header.  For Win as a whole the OSs RAM addressing code itself needs to be edited - hence that patch.

For caution I think it could be tested on a spare HDD or in a VM if you haven't the resources/knowledge to backup image your OS HDD (e.g. with something like Acronis).
I use x64 or I'd be trying it myself  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2013, 08:03:59 AM »

Hi Chaska,


I gave the 2nd method in that link a go .. i.e. the patchpae2 option.

Works like a charm .. and my 32-bit Windows now sees my entire 8 Gb of memory.  Grin

What a difference it's made to my Flight Sims etc ..  Grin

I also deleted my pagefile ..  Smiley

So .. thanks very much for that link.  Smiley


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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2013, 11:34:05 AM »

Thomasew - thats great! 

Good to know that it works OK.   Wink
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2013, 03:02:58 PM »

I also use windows 7 32-bit with 8GB of memory.

Dane to take advantage of 8 gig you need a 64bit OS
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2013, 04:40:56 PM »

I also use windows 7 32-bit with 8GB of memory.

Dane to take advantage of 8 gig you need a 64bit OS

You obviously didn't read the posts immediately above yours.  Shocked

I'm running Windows 7 - 32 bit ... and am taking full advantage of ALL 8 Gb of my installed memory.  Smiley


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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2013, 06:07:34 PM »

WOW Huh?

I just downloaded the PatchPae2.zip,but these instructions for its use look very complicated!



1. Download the PatchPae2 command line tool and extract the zip file to a

folder of your choice. For our example, we’re extracting to the root of

the C drive.

2. Open a Command prompt with Administrator privileges by pressing the Win

key, typing cmd into the search box and then simultaneously pressing Ctrl

+Shift+Enter. Then type the following:


cd C:\Windows\system32

3. Now, Windows Vista and 7 users type:


C:\PatchPae2.exe -type kernel -o ntkrnlpx.exe ntkrnlpa.exe

Windows 8 users type:


C:\PatchPae2.exe -type kernel -o ntoskrnx.exe ntoskrnl.exe

This makes a copy of and then patches the Windows kernel file to enable

the extra memory of 4GB and above.

4. Type the following to make a copy of and disable signature verification

in the Windows loader file:


C:\PatchPae2.exe -type loader -o winloadp.exe winload.exe

5. Enter this to create an entry in the Window boot menu, you can change

the text in quotes to what you want:


bcdedit /copy {current} /d "Windows Vista/7/8 (Patched)"

patchpae2 bcdedit

This should give you a “successfully copied to…” message with a number of

BCDID characters returned in brackets, make a note of them as you will

need to enter them in the following commands.

6. Enter the following commands in turn, pressing enter after each.

Replace BCD_ID with the ID you got from step 5:


bcdedit /set {BCD_ID} kernel ntkrnlpx.exe (for Win 8 use ntoskrnx.exe)

bcdedit /set {BCD_ID} path \Windows\system32\winloadp.exe

bcdedit /set {BCD_ID} nointegritychecks 1

Now reboot your computer and you should get a new entry on the Windows

Boot Manager to run the patched operating system.

Windows Boot Manager Patched menu

The good thing here is if you have problems, you can simply switch to the

unpatched normal system by rebooting because the kernel files were copied

and not overwritten. When you boot the patched system, a quick check

should show that your amount of memory is now fully utilized. Do note that

you still might not get access to all memory if some of it’s shared with

the video adapter, e.g. 512MB onboard graphics.

task manager 6GB ram

As you can see from the image above, we now have a 32-bit Windows 7

showing there is 6GB of installed RAM available.

resource monitor 6GB ram

This next image shows that Windows Resource Monitor confirms there is 6GB

of memory installed and ready to be used, with over 5GB still available

for use.

If you want to uninstall this patch again from your system, simply boot

into the unpatched Windows, press the Win key, type msconfig and press

enter. Then select the boot tab and highlight the patched boot entry,

click Delete. This screen can also be used for reducing the timeout and

selecting the patched install as the default o/s to boot into if you plan

on keeping it permanently.

delete boot menu

Also optionally go into C:\Windows\System32 and delete the ntkrnlpx.exe

and winloadp.exe files. If after a Windows update you find the patch no

longer works, re-run the command from step 3 to patch the kernel file

again.


Read more: http://www.raymond.cc/blog/make-windows-7-and-vista-32-bit-x86

-support-more-than-4gb-memory/#ixzz2dqsTyP6R
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2013, 06:57:16 PM »

Well,I followed the instructions above and I keep getting that it is not a recognized batch file.
I'm obviously doing something wrong considering I'm not very experienced with using the command prompt to alter my PC.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2013, 07:24:23 PM »

Well,I followed the instructions above and I keep getting that it is not a recognized batch file.
I'm obviously doing something wrong considering I'm not very experienced with using the command prompt to alter my PC.

At what point do you get that .. error?

The instructions are quite literal.

e.g. where it says {current} .. it means type that .. exactly.

also, .. where it says .. path .. type that word exactly. Do not enter a path e.g. C\Windows  .. etc.

I guessing you might have erroneously typed the command ... patchpae2 bcdedit .. this command doesn't exist, and I have no idea why it's there.

Anyway, if it's not any of the things I've mentioned .. let me know where it going wrong and I'll try to help.


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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2013, 07:41:47 PM »

I've unzipped and extracted the file to its own folder on my C drive and named it PatchPae2.exe

I opened up the command prompt and typed-cd C:\Windows\system32 and pressed enter.
Then I typed-C:\PatchPae2.exe -type kernel -o ntkrnlpx.exe ntkrnlpa.exe exactly and pressed enter,which is when I encountered the unrecognized batch file error.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2013, 08:07:24 PM »

I've unzipped and extracted the file to its own folder on my C drive and named it PatchPae2.exe

I opened up the command prompt and typed-cd C:\Windows\system32 and pressed enter.
Then I typed-C:\PatchPae2.exe -type kernel -o ntkrnlpx.exe ntkrnlpa.exe exactly and pressed enter,which is when I encountered the unrecognized batch file error.

OK, .. 2 things.

Firstly, .. you are running the command prompt as an Administrator?

Secondly, .. you said that you extracted PatchPae2.exe to it's own folder! .. but,
if that's so, .. then the first part of your command must be wrong.

i.e. "C:\Patchpae2.exe .. " assumes the file is in the ROOT of C:\ ... and NOT in it's own folder.

.. else your command should like ... C:\Foldername\Patchpae2.exe ..

Best to copy it to the Root of C:\

Also, .. you can run patchpae2.exe on it's own. However, you won't be able to dual boot. All the commands etc., are only to give the option of Booting without the patch, .. and also serves as a backup of sorts.


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